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Old 10-02-2010, 09:38 PM   #37
Dweplyododo

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Salaam-e-masnoon, brother.
I thank you for your views. It has never been my intention to get into an argument with any Muslim brother, whether he be Ahl Hadith, Barelwi or Deobandi and I have never sought to create fitna in this forum.
It was also never my intention to expose the real mechanics of how Dr Zakir "converts" Hindus to Islam or how he answers questions in such detail. If you remember my post, I wrote that I had been "exposed" to both sides of the argument which means that I know the manner in which the IRF functions. I am compelled to tell you now how exactly already converted hindus are publicly "converted" by Dr Naik in his shows.

99% of those who convert in those programs are people who have converted months and years ago, most of them through coming in contact with members of the Jamat al Tablligh. They are people in need of learning, knowledge and support and are continuously in search for it. An organization and a founder known for as much fanfare as an Evangelist in India is only Zakir Naik. Such people usually come to the IRF where they are appropriated as IRF property. Properly coached and cajoled such people stand up in IRF programs and "convert" again to the religion to which they already belong.

Also please note that most of the questions asked by Muslims have been planted by the IRF itself in the audience. The people of Deoband have always been working among Muslims and non Muslims in the way of the Salaf and not the way of Christian evangelists. May I not see that day when a Deobandi stoops down to the level of Dr Zakir Naik and his organization is giving dawa'.
Wasalaam.


I have heard about the questions being "planted by the IRF itself in the audience" from a teacher of mine who personally knew Dr Naik quite well, long before he began appearing on TV (btw he's also a graduate of DU Deoband).


Anyway, I'm sure many converts have benefitted from his videos on the net. Although as you said Deobandi's do indeed work among both "Muslims and non Muslims the way the Salaf used to", there is nothing from them in my knowledge that is available to the whole world (via the net etc) which would appeal to non-muslims globally like things discussed by Dr Naik (and others like Yusuf Estes, Bilal Phillips etc) would (comparative reli0gion, the Quran and science, muslim/christian debates etc etc). So, in my humble opinion, what brother London786 still stands - we cant totally discredit everything that people like Zakir Naik do in terms of da'wah, weve gotta give credit where it's due, but we do not take fiqh from him. And i agree with brothers saying he probably "needs to hold his tongue" sometimes. What he says about taqleed shows he has very little knowledge of fiqh. May Allah giude us all. Ameen.

And as for what brother London said here:
do you have a deobandi version of zakir naik who can come on and convert many hindus
I think there are (deobandis who have converted many hindus, obvioulsy not in the same method as Dr Naik). Ive read about Mawlana Kaleem Siddiqui who's supposed to be really influential. And this also reminds me of a (former hindu) convert who came to a Darul Uloom in the UK a some years back. I was quite young then so cant remember much, but he did mention that he does have some organisation for da'wah and that it is very successful, iirc. It's just that they don't appear on TV and stuff, so they arent as famous.


Also brother Abu Tamim, can you please provide any evidence for your saying that most of the converts converted through contact with Tablighi Jama'at. That'd be interesting.
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