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**7UENf0w7** · 10-31-2011, 04:37 AM

I am sorry I don't share such sentiment. We muslim have been too long emotionally led. Why is it everything has to become a shouting match. I think all ezyptian knows what he is saying anyway. What was perhaps needed in current age is a thought out rebuttle why people are not opting for what the shaikh is elluding to. What is this talk about phd! Speaking to the level of people is what is needed. Todays level of people are dissconnected educated elite overwhelmed by secular reasoning. Perhaps the Shaikh can do that but havn't seen many scholar with the exception of few who does such justice.
Allahulaam

I have just three things to say to you :-

1. You haven't answered any of brother abd7861's questions. You haven't even looked at his proofs. In fact what you have done is just beat about the bush.

2.What do you mean by too long emotionally led. As brother abd7861 has already said "You must know that it is well documented that when a law of the deen was contravened Rasulullah

's face use to become red and a vein on his blessed forehead would swell and pulsate in zeal due to Allah's law being stamped upon".

What do you want then a muslim shiekh who stands giving a speech with no conviction in his heart. That is why Islam is in the state it is. The masses have been hoodwinked by these "intelligentsia charlatans" who are bereft of any taqwa. They're in it simply for the boodle,ego and fame. Remember that Umar

used to have black lines going down his

's blessed face. This was due to immense crying out of fear and love of Allah. Fear is an emotion, so are you saying that during Umar :anum: 's time people were being led astray. Nauthubillah.

Brother a person who converts to Islam also looks at ones taqwa and ones love for islam. Again love is an emotion. What I mean is that people are not going to convert to islam when the person trying to convert them is himself bereft of all spiritual fibre. May be that person needs to wrestle with his/her own nafs instead of converting others.

3. Shall I tell you why everything has to be what you have mistakenly called a shouting match when it was clearly not a shouting match and was infact a one way khutbah declaring our ills :-

2:18 Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

This blessed ayah is very much relevant to the elite classes who despite having the knowledge of the original teachings of islam are vaunt in reinterpriting islam to satiate their egos. Their kufr is latent and the veils on their hearts will prevent the truth being accepted. However for those who have a sincere heart will take the imaams khutbah for what he said and not how he said it.

2:171 The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.

10-31-2011, 04:37 AM	#13
7UENf0w7 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 346 Senior Member	I am sorry I don't share such sentiment. We muslim have been too long emotionally led. Why is it everything has to become a shouting match. I think all ezyptian knows what he is saying anyway. What was perhaps needed in current age is a thought out rebuttle why people are not opting for what the shaikh is elluding to. What is this talk about phd! Speaking to the level of people is what is needed. Todays level of people are dissconnected educated elite overwhelmed by secular reasoning. Perhaps the Shaikh can do that but havn't seen many scholar with the exception of few who does such justice. Allahulaam I have just three things to say to you :- 1. You haven't answered any of brother abd7861's questions. You haven't even looked at his proofs. In fact what you have done is just beat about the bush. 2.What do you mean by too long emotionally led. As brother abd7861 has already said "You must know that it is well documented that when a law of the deen was contravened Rasulullah 's face use to become red and a vein on his blessed forehead would swell and pulsate in zeal due to Allah's law being stamped upon". What do you want then a muslim shiekh who stands giving a speech with no conviction in his heart. That is why Islam is in the state it is. The masses have been hoodwinked by these "intelligentsia charlatans" who are bereft of any taqwa. They're in it simply for the boodle,ego and fame. Remember that Umar used to have black lines going down his 's blessed face. This was due to immense crying out of fear and love of Allah. Fear is an emotion, so are you saying that during Umar :anum: 's time people were being led astray. Nauthubillah. Brother a person who converts to Islam also looks at ones taqwa and ones love for islam. Again love is an emotion. What I mean is that people are not going to convert to islam when the person trying to convert them is himself bereft of all spiritual fibre. May be that person needs to wrestle with his/her own nafs instead of converting others. 3. Shall I tell you why everything has to be what you have mistakenly called a shouting match when it was clearly not a shouting match and was infact a one way khutbah declaring our ills :- 2:18 Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). This blessed ayah is very much relevant to the elite classes who despite having the knowledge of the original teachings of islam are vaunt in reinterpriting islam to satiate their egos. Their kufr is latent and the veils on their hearts will prevent the truth being accepted. However for those who have a sincere heart will take the imaams khutbah for what he said and not how he said it. 2:171 The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.
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