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**Lebybynctisee** · 10-24-2011, 01:22 AM

Anyone who thinks that zina only happens in countries that are non muslims are wearing blinkers. Just because it is not in your face like in the west doesnt mean it is not happening. People are people, and men will seek out sex whether they are married or not, it is in their nature. We are biologically programmed to do so, that is not to say that we should give into this urge.

I think I didn't explain myself very well. Basically, the non Muslims have always had problems with fornication in their society (look at the Greeks, Romans, etc). Now, as Muslims, we are prohibited from such acts and historically speaking, fornication was not widepread in our communities (due to the power of the Sharia). The Messenger

told us (the Muslims) that there will be an increase in fornication as the end of the world draws near. What I've always believed that to mean is, that there will be an increase in fornication amongst Muslims as the end of the world draws near, since fornication has (historically) been prevalent in non Muslim societies.

Hence, the hadith mentioning that as a result of this increase of fornication, the people will be punished (through means such as natural disasters) is also referring specifically to Muslim lands (such as Pakistan). For example, I'm sure there is something about the increase of homosexuality leading to an increase in earthquakes. There is a noted increase of homosexuality in Pakistan, and also a noted increase of natural disasters. The West has homosexuality too, but there are no such disasters... why? Because as non Muslims, they are expected to fall into the traps of Satan, but the Muslims have been forewarned.

Anyway, that's always how I understood the hadith regarding these issues, and I welcome anyone to correct me if I'm misinterpreting anything. I should note for anyone who does not know me, that I am not a scholar and only expressing an opinion (of mine) and as such, should not be forwarded to anyone unless explicitly mentioning this is the (uneducated) opinion of an ignornamus. Hence, you also (sister iftannous) should not take my understanding of this too seriously either, as that is all it is (my understanding)

And Allah

knows best

10-24-2011, 01:22 AM	#15
Lebybynctisee Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 587 Senior Member	Anyone who thinks that zina only happens in countries that are non muslims are wearing blinkers. Just because it is not in your face like in the west doesnt mean it is not happening. People are people, and men will seek out sex whether they are married or not, it is in their nature. We are biologically programmed to do so, that is not to say that we should give into this urge. I think I didn't explain myself very well. Basically, the non Muslims have always had problems with fornication in their society (look at the Greeks, Romans, etc). Now, as Muslims, we are prohibited from such acts and historically speaking, fornication was not widepread in our communities (due to the power of the Sharia). The Messenger told us (the Muslims) that there will be an increase in fornication as the end of the world draws near. What I've always believed that to mean is, that there will be an increase in fornication amongst Muslims as the end of the world draws near, since fornication has (historically) been prevalent in non Muslim societies. Hence, the hadith mentioning that as a result of this increase of fornication, the people will be punished (through means such as natural disasters) is also referring specifically to Muslim lands (such as Pakistan). For example, I'm sure there is something about the increase of homosexuality leading to an increase in earthquakes. There is a noted increase of homosexuality in Pakistan, and also a noted increase of natural disasters. The West has homosexuality too, but there are no such disasters... why? Because as non Muslims, they are expected to fall into the traps of Satan, but the Muslims have been forewarned. Anyway, that's always how I understood the hadith regarding these issues, and I welcome anyone to correct me if I'm misinterpreting anything. I should note for anyone who does not know me, that I am not a scholar and only expressing an opinion (of mine) and as such, should not be forwarded to anyone unless explicitly mentioning this is the (uneducated) opinion of an ignornamus. Hence, you also (sister iftannous) should not take my understanding of this too seriously either, as that is all it is (my understanding) And Allah knows best
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