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**pupyississido** · 11-20-2008, 10:17 PM

The pesimism here is odd.... when I see quotes like "we don't give a crap" and "it could never happen here" I feel like you are writing your own destiny thinking this way...rather sad if you ask me.

Have you seen the general attitude of the people riding the subway? In order to get some of the results you are asking for, you need more than just money, you need people who are respectful for teh system and workers that see a reflection of themselves in the job they do.

When I went to Tokyo, I was AMAZED at the diligence that the workers displayed in CLEANING THE RAIN TROUGHS! On their hands and knees with scrubby sponges!!!!

Try to get the Transit Union to do that.

I guess Tokyo will forever be more perfect and NYC will never match its levels of efficency and machine-like urban ballet....without improved transit, NY city will choke sooner or later on its own fumes and begin its decline into obscurity, while the various "can do" cities take its place over time.. Um, saying a pile of poo smells does not mean the entire world will be dominated by it. You are stretching it a bit here.

To tell you the truth, I did not like Tokyo. Very comemrcial, and not quite as dynamic as NYC. their own destruction also relegated them into a smaller and more spread layout than NYC. They have a buisness district with quite a few tall buildings, but that is not the mainstay of the town. Most of it was 3-10 stories (at most) with neon everywhere.

Quite frankly, I liked Kyoto better!

NYC has no balls -- a congestion tax was the first test, they failed, simple as that...they are slaves to Albany, and they seem to like that. they are slaves to the ruling bodies they are governed by? Go fig.

With that money, at least the system could have been maintained. Problem is, we can't just secceed from the state of NY because we feel like it. I know what you are saying, but it just does not work that way. So, we have every right to not like it, and complain, but it is also up to us to do something about it. Call for the things we need, but also vote in the elections that help decide where our state money is going.

But, we also have to keep in mind, letting the entire state of NY slip into decay just because we want things better for ourselves is not exactly fair either.

I would be for helping the state if we could direct the funds towards things like Education and Transportation, but whatever....

Key here is we are not forecasting gloom and doom, but it is easier to design a new system from the ground up than to try and change an existing, and although not the best, functional system.

11-20-2008, 10:17 PM	#14
pupyississido Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 598 Senior Member	The pesimism here is odd.... when I see quotes like "we don't give a crap" and "it could never happen here" I feel like you are writing your own destiny thinking this way...rather sad if you ask me. Have you seen the general attitude of the people riding the subway? In order to get some of the results you are asking for, you need more than just money, you need people who are respectful for teh system and workers that see a reflection of themselves in the job they do. When I went to Tokyo, I was AMAZED at the diligence that the workers displayed in CLEANING THE RAIN TROUGHS! On their hands and knees with scrubby sponges!!!! Try to get the Transit Union to do that. I guess Tokyo will forever be more perfect and NYC will never match its levels of efficency and machine-like urban ballet....without improved transit, NY city will choke sooner or later on its own fumes and begin its decline into obscurity, while the various "can do" cities take its place over time.. Um, saying a pile of poo smells does not mean the entire world will be dominated by it. You are stretching it a bit here. To tell you the truth, I did not like Tokyo. Very comemrcial, and not quite as dynamic as NYC. their own destruction also relegated them into a smaller and more spread layout than NYC. They have a buisness district with quite a few tall buildings, but that is not the mainstay of the town. Most of it was 3-10 stories (at most) with neon everywhere. Quite frankly, I liked Kyoto better! NYC has no balls -- a congestion tax was the first test, they failed, simple as that...they are slaves to Albany, and they seem to like that. they are slaves to the ruling bodies they are governed by? Go fig. With that money, at least the system could have been maintained. Problem is, we can't just secceed from the state of NY because we feel like it. I know what you are saying, but it just does not work that way. So, we have every right to not like it, and complain, but it is also up to us to do something about it. Call for the things we need, but also vote in the elections that help decide where our state money is going. But, we also have to keep in mind, letting the entire state of NY slip into decay just because we want things better for ourselves is not exactly fair either. I would be for helping the state if we could direct the funds towards things like Education and Transportation, but whatever.... Key here is we are not forecasting gloom and doom, but it is easier to design a new system from the ground up than to try and change an existing, and although not the best, functional system.
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