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Old 09-03-2012, 11:22 PM   #35
Zvssxstw

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Not really. Wahhabis simply evolved into several splinter groups. Some groups of anti-state wahhabis still consider the early hardcore takfiri najdies as the right ones while the third Saudi state as deviated from the early najdism. Some instead follow the watered down taqiyya-takfirism of third Saudi State funded through oil. Some follow the wahhabism that got mixed with political takfirsm of Sayyid Qutb and Mawdudi, when MB took refuge in Saudi. Some Wahhabis follow the wahhabism that mixes with la madhabism of Rashid Rida, Abduh, al-afghani, etc modernist revisionist wahabism now passed on through Ibn baz and Albani. And then further modern day splinter cults like sahwis, madhkalis and hundreds more. Their essence is all the same with minor changes here and there. Just like the khawarij of the past were divided into several ggroups each formulating their takfiri argument in slight modified patterns, some more extreme than the other. Similarily the consequnces of their takfir and the methodology to treat the Muslims whom they put takfir upon or accused guilt upon, were treated in different ways by each khawarij group of the past, as do the Wahhabism of today. The diversity among the khawarij did not make the khawarij not be khawarij anymore. And the diversity among Wahhabsim does not negate Wahhabism from being the khawarij. They always are, as the pious scholars of the past and present all declared the wahhabi movement to be.

Hope your maliki friends rise up and get rid of their cancer of wahhabism before it wrecks their society.
you have missed out the influence of ibn taymiyyah predating ibn abdul wahhab and presence of groups such as ahl e hadith which are not influenced by najdism but perhaps more by reformation as a theory and ibn taymiyyah. also you have equated bin baaz and albani as part of a similar movement which is incorrect. and your assumed influence of najdis on many of the groups is also incorrect.

also again there are scholars who have not declared najdis to be khawarij. many ulema are okay with ibn abdul wahhab some actually praise him. just because the actual khawarij split into different groups does not mean each and every salafi group is a khawarij in its own way. i have studied the conditions of the khawarij in detail and my opinion is pretty much the same of the opinions of ulema who don't call all of them khawarij.

many ulema who declared najdis to be khawarij were later shown to have been fed lies (eg mufti dahlan). many who give this ruling today on the 'salafis' as a whole are also fed incorrect information about some groups based on conspiracy theories of anti-J!had, pro-sufism lot who neither have much knowledge of J!had, rely on media for their information (or other conspiracy theorists), lack knowledge of contemporary history, live in self-denial , are mostly pro-democracy and generally okay with their governments allied with non-Muslims against Muslims, and in their ignorance and blind burning hatred for salafis they end up calling ulema such as imam qurtubi, tabari, and many prominent ulema of deoband (past and present) as 'takfeeri'.
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