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**VonErmad4** · 09-07-2006, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by Velociryx

I could buy this as an explanation, but for one thing....it would be far easier (and cheaper) to pull off a ruse like that than it would be to actually have a series of "secret prisons" lined up and waiting.

I mean, if that was the goal, you could blindfold the guy, throw him on a chopper, fly him around for an hour and take him back to solitary row and tell him he's in (fill in the blank with something suitably grim). It's not like they're going to let him out to ask around or buy a map and verify his location.

No...the only logical reason for HAVING the "secret prisons" is that there's something to hide. Because for all our talk about being the good guys, and for being on the "right side" of the battle lines....we're only pretending, but it'd be bad PR if that got out.

In my mind, this is a far more likely explanation, and even if false, I can guarantee you it will be the one that the bulk of the rest of the world subscribes to. And we could have avoided it by making an attempt to live up to the ideals that our country was founded upon.

Ideals that most definitely do NOT include secret prisons and torture.

-=Vel=-
The ruse might work except that a prisoner in a standard situation has to be accessible to inspectors, red cross and the like. AS soon as they know that they have some sort of oversight they have a security blanket. I don't see how a ruse would work to prevent these types of oversight from happening and hence giving the psychological security blanket.

AS for the international uproar to my mind this is but one of the reasons this is being addressed. The Democrats didn't and don't have the cahoneys to make this a huge issue as the general public feel these guys deserve torture even if it is or is not occurring. W put the onus now on the Democrats to back a tough policy or appear to go against the will of the Joe Q Public.

So in essence Bush has betrayed his beleif that the need for optimum interrogation that can only be accomplished by secret prisons and the mind games that can play on a prisoner is outwieghed by the expedience of helping Repugs and putting Demonrats on the spot as well as smoothing international relations. Personally I think it a bad trade.

09-07-2006, 10:22 PM	#11
VonErmad4 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	Originally posted by Velociryx I could buy this as an explanation, but for one thing....it would be far easier (and cheaper) to pull off a ruse like that than it would be to actually have a series of "secret prisons" lined up and waiting. I mean, if that was the goal, you could blindfold the guy, throw him on a chopper, fly him around for an hour and take him back to solitary row and tell him he's in (fill in the blank with something suitably grim). It's not like they're going to let him out to ask around or buy a map and verify his location. No...the only logical reason for HAVING the "secret prisons" is that there's something to hide. Because for all our talk about being the good guys, and for being on the "right side" of the battle lines....we're only pretending, but it'd be bad PR if that got out. In my mind, this is a far more likely explanation, and even if false, I can guarantee you it will be the one that the bulk of the rest of the world subscribes to. And we could have avoided it by making an attempt to live up to the ideals that our country was founded upon. Ideals that most definitely do NOT include secret prisons and torture. -=Vel=- The ruse might work except that a prisoner in a standard situation has to be accessible to inspectors, red cross and the like. AS soon as they know that they have some sort of oversight they have a security blanket. I don't see how a ruse would work to prevent these types of oversight from happening and hence giving the psychological security blanket. AS for the international uproar to my mind this is but one of the reasons this is being addressed. The Democrats didn't and don't have the cahoneys to make this a huge issue as the general public feel these guys deserve torture even if it is or is not occurring. W put the onus now on the Democrats to back a tough policy or appear to go against the will of the Joe Q Public. So in essence Bush has betrayed his beleif that the need for optimum interrogation that can only be accomplished by secret prisons and the mind games that can play on a prisoner is outwieghed by the expedience of helping Repugs and putting Demonrats on the spot as well as smoothing international relations. Personally I think it a bad trade.
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