[immoceefe]

Eurogenes K=14 for Arabic component :

Malta 15.94%
Italy 12.09%
Greece 10.16%
Tuscan 6.94%
Serbia 5.11%
Romania 4.28%
Bulgaria 4.22%
Bosnia 3.75%
North-Italian 3.06%
Denmark 3.02%
Finland 2.72%
Hungary 2.63%
SPAIN 2.62%
Germany 2.35%
Netherland 2.17%
etc. etc.

[AlabamaBoyz]

Lol! so many trolling out threads for Spain lately....

[Xiciljed]

Andalucia has more in common with Morocco than Norway. In Roman times, Iberians and Italians would have idnetifed much more with North Africans and Middle Easterners than with Northern 'barbarian tribes' from Britain or Germany or Scandinavia.

Spaniards going back to their roots

[FallJimerks]

Andalucia has more in common with Morocco than Norway. In Roman times, Iberians and Italians would have idnetifed much more with North Africans and Middle Easterners than with Northern 'barbarian tribes' from Britain or Germany or Scandinavia or Gaul.

Spaniards going back to their roots

Northwest Africans don't feel any connection to Spaniards they're seen very distinc christian European people you obviously don't know what you're talking about

[Uttephabeta]

Northwest Africans don't feel any connection to Spaniards they're seen very distinc christian European people you obviously don't know what you're talking about

In Roman and Carthaginean times Iberians had more in common with North Africans than with Northern Europeans who were deemed to be savages.

it's only since the rise of Islam that there was such a huge divide.

[gghrdfffhfyj]

In Roman and Carthaginean times Iberians had more in common with North Africans than with Northern Europeans who were deemed to be savages.

it's only since the rise of Islam that there was such a huge divide.

Northwest Africans have always been a very distinct people from Europeans and Middle Easterns even in Roman times...

[hopertveyk]

Andalucia has more in common with Morocco than Norway.

Andalucia is Christian, as is Norway. while Morocco is muslim.
Andalussia speaks an IE langauge, as Norway. Morocco mostly a semitic one.
Andalusia is genetically closer to Norway.

You sir, have no fuckin idea what you are talking about.

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In Roman and Carthaginean times Iberians had more in common with North Africans than with Northern Europeans who were deemed to be savages.

it's only since the rise of Islam that there was such a huge divide.

hmmm..Britain, or Belgium was also part of the Roman Empire.

[Tndfpcin]

In Roman and Carthaginean times Iberians had more in common with North Africans than with Northern Europeans who were deemed to be savages.

it's only since the rise of Islam that there was such a huge divide.

Only the real Iberians who lived in east and south and because in Roman times the two groups were similar, but not now. An Andalusian feel North Africa exotic and very different.

And the Celts who lived in central, west and north had nothing in common with North Africa.

[Zoxeeoy]

Only the real Iberians who lived in east and south and because in Roman times the two groups were similar, but not now. An Andalusian feel North Africa exotic and very different.

And the Celts who lived in central, west and north had nothing in common with North Africa.

even in looks we are obviously different(and not counting the recently SSA admixed ones cause I don't consider those phenotypes endemic to NAf)

typical Moroccan



typical Spaniard

[bredkumanfirst]

even in looks we are obviously different(and not counting the recently SSA admixed ones cause I don't consider those phenotypes endemic to NAf)

typical Moroccan



typical Spaniard

Even the dark Spaniards are different from the North Africans, the features are very different.

[251EPyso]

Bardem who's Canarian and part guanche will never pass as an ethnic Moroccan not even in Northern Morocco



Spain has typical iberian people+ a significant number of central european looking people

Morocco has berberid people+very significant number quadroonic/mulato looking people

[prkddfokic]

Andalucia is Christian, as is Norway. while Morocco is muslim.
Andalussia speaks an IE langauge, as Norway. Morocco mostly a semitic one.
Andalusia is genetically closer to Norway.

You sir, have no fuckin idea what you are talking about.

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hmmm..Britain was also part of the Roman Empire.

I meant pre-roman Britain. before the rise of Christianity and Islam you had more in commmon with North Africa than Norther Europe. Yes morocans were briefly christian too, while Norway was still pagan.

Roman perceptions of Britain

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/...geography.html

'Britain is less a geographical entity than an ideological counterpoint, its barbarity a foil to Roman civilization.'

Most of Britain is marshland because it is flooded by the continual ocean tides. The barbarians usually swim in these swamps or run along in them, submerged up to the waist. Of course, they are practically naked and do not mind the mud because they are unfamiliar with the use of clothing

It is a savage place (ferox; Agricola, VIII) as are the fierce, inhospitable Britons who live there (Horace, Odes, III.4.33). Those near the coast in Kent may be more civilized, but in the interior they do not cultivate the land but share their wives with family members, live on milk and meat, and wear the skins of animals—behaviors so foreign to the Romans.

[gueremaisse]

I meant pre-roman Britain. before the rise of Christianity and Islam you had more in commmon with North Africa than Norther Europe. Yes morocans were briefly christian too, while Norway was still pagan.

Roman perceptions of Britain

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/...geography.html

'Britain is less a geographical entity than an ideological counterpoint, its barbarity a foil to Roman civilization.'

Most of Britain is marshland because it is flooded by the continual ocean tides. The barbarians usually swim in these swamps or run along in them, submerged up to the waist. Of course, they are practically naked and do not mind the mud because they are unfamiliar with the use of clothing

It is a savage place (ferox; Agricola, VIII) as are the fierce, inhospitable Britons who live there (Horace, Odes, III.4.33). Those near the coast in Kent may be more civilized, but in the interior they do not cultivate the land but share their wives with family members, live on milk and meat, and wear the skins of animals—behaviors so foreign to the Romans.

North-Africans were also considered barbarian, where do you think the word "BERBERS" comes from ??

[Morageort]

Typical Northern Moroccan old ladies



typical iberian old ladies



typical Northern Moroccan young couple



typical iberian young couple




typical Moroccan youth



typical iberian youth

[TimoDass]

Even the dark Spaniards are different from the North Africans, the features are very different.

There are still some Berbers would go unnoticed in Iberia....

[timmybrown]

There are still some Berbers would go unnoticed in Iberia....

These people look north-african or arabic, specially the woman or the ones in the table

[Frinzer]

These people look north-african or arabic, specially the woman or the ones in the table

they look North African they do not look arabic...

[radikal]

Look beyond Christiatny-Islam and the entire classical peroid of Phonecia, Carthage and Rome and for before the fall of the Roman Empire you had more in common with Each other than you do with Northern Europeans. even during Visigoth/Vandal/ Byzantine time you were quite similar. You forget the Romans did not have the same racial notions of identity we have today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimius_Severus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauretania_Tingitana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_African_Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracalla

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_Septimius_Geta

[qQVXpYM6]

I meant pre-roman Britain. before the rise of Christianity and Islam you had more in commmon with North Africa than Norther Europe. Yes morocans were briefly christian too, while Norway was still pagan.

Do you know in pre-Roman time 2/3 of Iberia was Celtic?

[thomaskkk]

Look beyond Christiatny-Islam and the entire classical peroid of Phonecia, Carthage and Rome and for before the fall of the Roman Empire you had more in common with Each other than you do with Northern Europeans. even during Visigoth/Vandal/ Byzantine time you were quite similar. You forget the Romans did not have the same racial notions of identity we have today.
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Before Romanizations Iberia was mostly Celtic speaking, so I doubt we had more in common with North-African.
Fool.