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Old 10-08-2011, 07:44 AM   #1
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Default Affirmative action in the United States
I want to know more about affirmative action (aka reverse racism) in the United States.

Where is it implemented? Does the federal government do it? All departments or just a few? Do state and municipal governments do it? Is there federal, state or municipal legislation regarding this? Is it inconstitutional in certain states? Regarding legislation that affects the private sector, is it mandatory or are there just incentives for private firms that do it? Or penalties for private firms that don't do it? Are some companies obliged to do that and others not (like, only firms with more than 40 employees)?

Since when was it implemented? Who advocated such actions? Did it happen in some place and then stopped happening? Have courts considered it inconstitutional or not? Have courts considered not implementing it in some level inconstitutional?

What groups are favored by affirmative action? Does it take into account just race or also able-ism (paraplegics, etc), sexism (women, homosexuals) and religious intolerance? Does it take into account the local demographics or the demographics of the whole USA?

I've heard and seen in movies that it's implemented in some universities. Does the law require them to do that or do they do that of their own free will? Is the SAT considered racist in choosing students? What about univerisities that were created for discriminated people at an earlier time (all-black university, only-women university)? Do they have to diversify their student or teacher corps with white men as well? Is it legal for a school to discriminate on color/sex? What happens if they insist on doing that? How can the government know if they're truly discriminating or just no people of color/women have applied?

I'll think of more questions later.
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Old 10-08-2011, 11:17 PM   #2
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Whats reverse racism?
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Old 10-09-2011, 12:39 AM   #3
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Whats reverse racism?
It's generally what they call it when the minorities show racism towards the majority.
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:58 AM   #4
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It's generally what they call it when the minorities show racism towards the majority.
I see. So whites are the real racists and minorities are reverse racists. The first thing that comes to my mind reading this fancy new term is that this "reverse racism" is reactionary to the racism of the majority and the minority are tree hugging pacifists striving for world peace who only defend themselves.
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Old 10-09-2011, 01:35 PM   #5
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Look no further than our president lmao.


Obama's whole education from normal university all the way up to Harvard was paid for by the Federal government on a minority-based scholarship that no white person could ever have had access to.

Most blacks who are in college or have degree's have their whole education paid for 100% by a Federal scholarship geared towards minorities.

Corporations are huge on it. They purposely put blacks who've done nothing for the company on as team leads so they can gain 'diversity tax breaks' from the Federal government.

Ever wonder why all black media is hosted on Public networks such as PBS and NPR? Because public-funded networks paid for by the taxpayer are the only areas where blacks are slotted time. Tavis Smiley's show on PBS and various other crap exists solely because the Federal govt hands it to them for the sake of 'diversity'.
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Old 10-09-2011, 01:38 PM   #6
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Really does that happen..? So you telling me corporations can declare taxes paying individual and designate their....errrm.....skin color too...? Or they would mention ethnicity. Sounds weird. And they get a rebate for this..?
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Old 10-09-2011, 01:57 PM   #7
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Really does that happen..? So you telling me corporations can declare taxes paying individual and designate their....errrm.....skin color too...? Or they would mention ethnicity. Sounds weird. And they get a rebate for this..?
Yes. Jackson and other poverty-pimps extortion companies with threats of racism if they don't make massive donations to his rainbow push extortion network masked as an equality organization.


AT&T & Rainbow Push make way for minority businesses
By Chundria, October 12, 2010 at 4:54 pm
AT&T & Rainbow Push make way for minority businesses

Diversity. Partnership. Growth.

These are all very good reasons to gather at 8am on a Tuesday morning at
the AT&T Institute
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amongst a plethora of successful corporate
Executives and thriving business owners. As AT&T continues to work
in diversity, the major Tele-Communications firm hosted the Meet The
Primes Matchmaker Event in its Hoffman Estates branch. The event's purpose was to effectively match its business model with the services offered by other growing companies. The Rainbow Push Coalition joined the Chicago Minority Business Development Council, The Women's Business Development Center, and The Illinois Elite SDVOB as event sponsors.

Enthralled at his long lasting business relationship with AT&T, Rev.
Jesse Jackson
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encouraged the corporate audience to expand the
marketplace and essentially learn to live together in the economy. Marshette Turner manages the International Trade Bureau at Rainbow Push,
presenting a versatile training and networking ground for minority
business owners in any industry. The forum meets at 8:00am every
Saturday morning at the RPC Headquarters located at 930 E. 50th
St.in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood. 17 small business owners, who participate in the program, were in
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attendance at today's event, taking advantage of a pivotal opportunity to partner with such a notable company as AT&T. This event was an excellent event to get the members into high-profile networking opportunities on a grand level. Any business owners who are interested in learning more about the
program can contact Marshette Turner at (773) 256-2725.

It was a pleasure to hear from AT&T heads: Paul
LaSchiazza-Illinois President; Tim
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Harden-President of Supply Chain & Fleet Ops;
Marianne Strobel, Exec. Dir. of Global Supplier Diversity. Overall, the event presented a wealth of knowledge and insight straight from the industry's top dealers. David Steward, CEO of World Wide Technology, Inc. gladly offered his best secrets to success and wealth including the story of how he started his global business more than twenty years ago. Sue Clancy, CEO Biz Phyx, explained her company's business model and gave resourceful information that can apply to any company in any industry.





http://www.realchange.org/jackson.htm

Jesse Jackson's Skeleton Closet

- Adultery and bastard child

- Anti-semitic remarks ("Hymietown")
- All talk, no action
- Son is involved with heroin dealers

We never finished the Jesse Jackson page, after drafting it back in 1995 when we started, because he always chickened out on running again for president. Now we have a pretty good idea why he didn't want the press scrutiny that comes with a campaign.

Adultery and bastard child
Jackson, who is a minister, has made a career out of preaching to inner city youth about avoiding drugs, crime and unmarried children. Well, two out of three ain't bad.

He admitted this week that he fathered a daughter -- born in May, 1999 -- out of wedlock with Karin Stanford, a former poltiical science professor who ran his organization's Washington office. Ironically, Ms. Stanford wrote a book titled "Beyond the Boundaries: Reverend Jesse Jackson in International Affairs" (though apparently this one was all too domestic.)

This is probably not his first affair, either -- reporters have said that Jackson's womanizing has been legendary for years, with his wife of 38 years, Jacqueline, suffering through it in private. In fact, as Jackson very publicly counseled President Clinton over his guilt in the Monica Lewinsky affair, he had already impregnated his adulteress.

Jackson's organization paid Stanford $35,000 in "severance pay" and he has been giving her $3,000 per month in child support, which is generous to the point of sounding like hush money. Apparently, she turned down an offer of a million dollars from the National Enquirer magazine for her story, but they got it any way from other disgruntled Jackson employees all to happy to tear him down for free.Adultery Sources

Sources

"Aphrodisiac of power: Jesse Jackson joins the club of powerful men whose private transgressions are inevitably exposed", Salon Magazine, By Joan Walsh, Jan. 19, 2001

BACK TO SKELETON CLOSET

Paid for by Real People For Real Change and not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.
Copyright 2001 Real People For Real Change


Jackson is also a visceral anti-gay basher against gay-blacks.

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Old 10-09-2011, 02:22 PM   #8
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Look no further than our president lmao.


Obama's whole education from normal university all the way up to Harvard was paid for by the Federal government on a minority-based scholarship that no white person could ever have had access to.

Most blacks who are in college or have degree's have their whole education paid for 100% by a Federal scholarship geared towards minorities.

Corporations are huge on it. They purposely put blacks who've done nothing for the company on as team leads so they can gain 'diversity tax breaks' from the Federal government.

Ever wonder why all black media is hosted on Public networks such as PBS and NPR? Because public-funded networks paid for by the taxpayer are the only areas where blacks are slotted time. Tavis Smiley's show on PBS and various other crap exists solely because the Federal govt hands it to them for the sake of 'diversity'.
You're making it sound like minority students haven't done anything to deserve these scholarships. I hate it when people think that just because the student is black, Hispanic, etc. (non-white), that they got into University/College just because of affirmative action. Not because of their grades or hard-work, but because they're a minority.

Also, how do you know that these black workers in these companies haven't done anything? They work at these companies, so wouldn't that mean that they have done something.

Who do you think are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are? It's not blacks or Hispanics or any other racial minorities, but white women. I like how no one ever brings that up.
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:30 PM   #9
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You're making it sound like minority students haven't done anything to deserve these scholarships. I hate it when people think that just because the student is black, Hispanic, etc. (non-white), that they got into University/College just because of affirmative action. Not because of their grades or hard-work, but because they're a minority.

Also, how do you know that these black workers in these companies haven't done anything? They work at these companies, so wouldn't that mean that they have done something.

Who do you think are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are? It's not blacks or Hispanics or any other racial minorities, but white women. I like how no one ever brings that up.
Because they did get into those scholarships because they were black you inept. The scholarships are for blacks only. You have to be black to even be eligible for them.

Blacks in companies are there to meet quotas. The last bank I worked for had to hire their blacks and have diversity conferences or they'd have to worry about some scumbag extortionist such as Jesse Jackson coming in and accusing them of racism and insisting on a donation to some black organization.

Big companies that have to deal with the government often just accept that they have to hire a quota of blacks in order to do business now. They are forced to hold "diversity conferences" every month to attempt to show how many blacks they have working for them. It's sick. They pass up other workers who aren't black all so they can hire a quota of blacks with publicly-paid-for degrees from taxpayers all from 'diversity scholarships'.
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:52 PM   #10
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Because they did get into those scholarships because they were black you inept. The scholarships are for blacks only. You have to be black to even be eligible for them.
That's why I said just because of their of a certain racial group. Of course, some scholarships require the applicant to be of a certain racial group to apply, but there are also other requirements for the scholarship. Do you seriously think that they just give the scholarships to the minority student, no matter what. The applicant must also have a certain GPA, a well-written essay, recommendation letters from teachers and sometimes even volunteer work/hours. It's not solely based on race, since other students of that certain racial group are also applying, so they have to look at other criterias.

Blacks in companies are there to meet quotas. The last bank I worked for had to hire their blacks and have diversity conferences or they'd have to worry about some scumbag extortionist such as Jesse Jackson coming in and accusing them of racism and insisting on a donation to some black organization.

Big companies that have to deal with the government often just accept that they have to hire a quota of blacks in order to do business now. They are forced to hold "diversity conferences" every month to attempt to show how many blacks they have working for them. It's sick. They pass up other workers who aren't black all so they can hire a quota of blacks with publicly-paid-for degrees from taxpayers all from 'diversity scholarships'. I'm sorry to hear that happened in your workplace. I don't approve of it. The best person should get the job, no matter what their racial background. Although, you do have to understand where these affirmative action policies came from. A lot of minorities were getting passed for jobs/advancements just because of their race and/or gender, even though they were qualified. These policies were implemented to allow for a fair balance in schools and work. I don't completely agree with affirmative action policies because I think it has it's flaws that we need to work on. I think as a society we haven't found the right balance yet.
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:58 PM   #11
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That's why I said just because of their of a certain racial group. Of course, some scholarships require the applicant to be of a certain racial group to apply, but there are also other requirements for the scholarship. Do you seriously think that they just give the scholarships to the minority student, no matter what. The applicant must also have a certain GPA, a well-written essay, recommendation letters from teachers and sometimes even volunteer work/hours. It's not solely based on race, since other students of that certain racial group are also applying, so they have to look at other criteria.
Wrong. They take blacks off the street who've had no job in their life and throw them into a university on a full-paid scholarship for blacks. Many of them cannot even do basic math or spell numerous words. Most these blacks were failing HS yet still were given entry via these black Federal scholarships. GPA? Are you kidding? They had no GPA. Can you show up was the only requirement. Everyone else in the country has to PAY for university.

No other minority gets these scholarships on the same levels so stop saying it's minority scholarships, blacks get them because they scream racism at everyone else in the populace. All the other minorities do their share and work hard and don't need these scholarships. Asians do not use scholarships they give them heh.
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:59 PM   #12
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Look no further than our president lmao.


Obama's whole education from normal university all the way up to Harvard was paid for by the Federal government on a minority-based scholarship that no white person could ever have had access to.

Most blacks who are in college or have degree's have their whole education paid for 100% by a Federal scholarship geared towards minorities.
Corporations are huge on it. They purposely put blacks who've done nothing for the company on as team leads so they can gain 'diversity tax breaks' from the Federal government.

Ever wonder why all black media is hosted on Public networks such as PBS and NPR? Because public-funded networks paid for by the taxpayer are the only areas where blacks are slotted time. Tavis Smiley's show on PBS and various other crap exists solely because the Federal govt hands it to them for the sake of 'diversity'.
Hogwash. where is your source that "most blacks have minority based scholarships that are 100%??? Where do you get your facts from? I don't know "1" black college student who has got a scholarship based on their skin color, most are either on academic scholarships or athletic or are taking out student loans just like everybody else.
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:02 PM   #13
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Hogwash. where is your source that "most blacks have minority based scholarships that are 100%??? Where do you get your facts from? I don't know "1" black college student who has got a scholarship based on their skin color, most are either on academic scholarships or athletic or are taking out student loans just like everybody else.
Now don't make it that easy.... cmon....

Let's all do this together. It can be a team effort of sorts.

Google Black Scholarships.

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http://www.google.com/search?q=black...=hp&channel=np
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:04 PM   #14
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Now don't make it that easy.... cmon....
dont make what easy? you just made a statement that most black people in college get 100% of their education paid for because of skin color. Thats not true.
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Old 10-11-2011, 04:35 AM   #15
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Whats reverse racism?
Reverse racism or reverse discrimination is when someone takes racist/discriminating actions to improve the conditions of a discriminated minority. The action is racist/discriminating because it takes into account race/another factor, but is called reverse racism because it's not trying to maintain the racial status quo.

For example, quotas given in universities to students to racial minorities in the US, to bumpiputra (basically malays) in Malaysia, to burakumin in Japan or to people who used to belong to lower castes in India.

Also, several European and American countries have a minimum quota for politicians in parties for women in elections. In Argentina, I think at least 20% of the candidates must be women in some legislactive elections, or the party loses its right to put candidates.
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Old 10-11-2011, 04:45 AM   #16
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I'm not too familiar with the academic AA in the USA but I have seen private sector AA in the corporate world.

Basically a big corporate HR department, on direction from upper management, will implement a quota system for hiring and promotion of racial minorities and women. It becomes part of the metrics for measuring the effectiveness of a hiring manager, and it gets factored into HR approvals for new hires and promotions. It also factors into terminations and layoffs. Terminations with cause must be more carefully documented for minorities and women, and layoffs must be structured in a way that do not affect a disproportionate number of minorities and women.

I have also seen more situation-specific quota systems implemented, which also amount to AA in their outcome. For example, privately operated casinos in New Orleans which, based on agreements with the local government, must hire a certain percentage of local New Orleans residents, not relocate all workers from elsewhere. Similar policies exist for local government jobs, where the outcome is AA... a city government and police force in a majority-minority city which has a policy of only hiring city residents, not anyone from outlying suburbs.
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Old 10-11-2011, 04:47 AM   #17
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Look no further than our president lmao.


Obama's whole education from normal university all the way up to Harvard was paid for by the Federal government on a minority-based scholarship that no white person could ever have had access to.
Which scholarships did he use? Where can I find texts which say which criteria they use?

Most blacks who are in college or have degree's have their whole education paid for 100% by a Federal scholarship geared towards minorities. Does that happen in both public-funded colleges and private colleges? Does that happen only to blacks? Do other ethnicities (asians, native americans, pacific islanders, hispanics) also happen to have their tuitions paid by some form of government aid? Under which program?

Corporations are huge on it. They purposely put blacks who've done nothing for the company on as team leads so they can gain 'diversity tax breaks' from the Federal government. Where can I find the text on legislation pertaining to federal 'diversity taax breaks'? Can you explain what they are to me? Do they affect income tax?

Ever wonder why all black media is hosted on Public networks such as PBS and NPR? Because public-funded networks paid for by the taxpayer are the only areas where blacks are slotted time. Tavis Smiley's show on PBS and various other crap exists solely because the Federal govt hands it to them for the sake of 'diversity'.
I'm not from the US, I don't watch your TV shows. Is BET (Black Entertainment Media) funded by the government? Are most "black shows" (like the Jeffersons) hosted in and funded by public channels?
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Old 10-11-2011, 04:49 AM   #18
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Look no further than our president lmao.
he was voted into office by the people.

Obama's whole education from normal university all the way up to Harvard was paid for by the Federal government on a minority-based scholarship that no white person could ever have had access to. he still had to work to achieve this scholarship, it wasn't freely handed to him just because he was half black

Most blacks who are in college or have degree's have their whole education paid for 100% by a Federal scholarship geared towards minorities. you're overexaggerating it, there are some who get their colleges payed for via fed scholarships, but out of all the black friends I have and people I know, very few actually got these.

Corporations are huge on it. They purposely put blacks who've done nothing for the company on as team leads so they can gain 'diversity tax breaks' from the Federal government. please dude, they were in the company because they contributed to it, dont downplay that.. look at the general make up of a corporation and the majority are still white so dont forget that... Its like the arabs fretting over the small strip of land called israel when they have the rest of the peninsula/levant/parts of central asia, and north africa all to themselves

Ever wonder why all black media is hosted on Public networks such as PBS and NPR? Because public-funded networks paid for by the taxpayer are the only areas where blacks are slotted time. Tavis Smiley's show on PBS and various other crap exists solely because the Federal govt hands it to them for the sake of 'diversity'. ? name one public station devoted to showing black media? The only black media channel I know of is BET. PBS plays diverse stuff
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Old 10-11-2011, 04:57 AM   #19
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Now don't make it that easy.... cmon....

Let's all do this together. It can be a team effort of sorts.

Google Black Scholarships.

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http://www.google.com/search?q=black...=hp&channel=np
You are white, deal with it. In fact, my 4 year degree and squeaky clean criminal record as a black male is equal to you having a felony and a high school diploma. Stop being a cry baby and pull yourself up by your bootstraps and quit blaming Negroes for your failure. Some idiot off the street will not even MAKE it through college unless they can dribble or run. Black folks that do bad in high school probably dont even GO to college. If it was THAT free it would be packed trust me.

Next time you go to the mall look at all those black folks working those SHIT jobs....you think they wouldnt rather be in college FOR FREE?
White folks complaining about Affirmative Action is like Brahmans complaining about the caste system. The system has already been put in place for you ass, regardless of how dumb you are and how much of a criminal record you have to be leagues ahead of the Lakishas and Jamals.
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Old 10-11-2011, 05:20 AM   #20
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The name discrimination thing is real... seen it happen. It doesn't just happen to the Tyrones, Shanequas, and Pedros of the world either. I've watched South Asians screen other South Asian resumes, determining what group / nationality / religion a candidate is prior to the interview. Also keep in mind that above-mentioned AA policies in corporations mainly apply to full-time employee candidates... I never heard of any private sector HR scrutiny on hiring individual contractors.

I'm sure blacks and hispanics don't need this advise, but I'll give it anyway... give your children neutral American names. My wife wanted to give some Asian names to my sons, but I vetoed it and made sure they had plain jane Anglo names like my own.

One other odd AA thing I would mention is the "minority owned business" one. This is where agencies awarding government contracts are expected to give preference to minority owned businesses. This can happen with military or civilian federal agencies, and also at a state and local level. I knew one half Mexican dude (on his mother's side with an Anglo name) who was born and raised southern American and could pass as a Southern Euro, who set himself up as a minority owned business to get contracts. I have also seen where local minorities set themselves up as a shell business, get the contracts, then sub out all of the work to other (mainly white) businesses. Not really the intent of the policy LOL.
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