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11-11-2005, 03:34 AM
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Am i a beauty queen now? Don`t know about beauty, but you surely do behave like a queen, know what i mean? So please, try to be a man & ...have a nice day!
 P.S. This will be my last post for you
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11-11-2005, 03:43 AM
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Am i a beauty queen now? Don`t know about beauty, but you surely do behave like a queen, know what i mean? "She walked like a woman and talked like a man drank champagne with cherry cola L.O.L.A Lola..." So please, try to be a man  P.S. This will be my last post for you  Feel like I gonna cry cats and dogs! Oh Gosh, how my poor heart aches
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11-11-2005, 04:47 AM
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Alana,
I was stunned by ur avataar when I 1st noticed it.......cool!  No idea exactly who it is but tat large flower sticking out thru her hair looks typical '70s (which I'm into myself!)  Retro rulez!!!
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11-11-2005, 04:51 AM
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Alana, Thank you!  I just liked that picture, in real life i don`t look like it..
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11-11-2005, 05:01 AM
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lordstanher,
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11-11-2005, 05:10 AM
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11-11-2005, 11:11 PM
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Alana, No, in real life she does not look like it! Because She is a he. Just the LOLA, our holy highness 
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11-12-2005, 12:01 AM
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The oversized sunglass is missing! Goa is still alive No, in real life she does not look like it! Because She is a he. Just the LOLA, our holy highness  Reminds me of the Mandangi/Dr.Veena days in this hub.......
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11-12-2005, 01:34 AM
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Reminds me of the Mandangi/Dr.Veena days in this hub....... I have no Idea about Dr.Veena or patient Mandangi as you know I am too new to this hub.I thought that the topic was about the languages, definitely not about my persona.. To be honest i also thought & think that behind "siva.." is an angry housewife, well, talks like one anyway. |
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Originally Posted by sivajayan The oversized sunglass is missing! Goa is still alive |
11-12-2005, 01:49 AM
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I can only say that i feel sorry for this person (looks like i am not the only one).
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11-12-2005, 02:02 AM
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I can only say that i feel sorry for this person (looks like i am not the only one).
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11-12-2005, 03:04 AM
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I have no Idea about Dr.Veena or patient Mandangi as you know I am too new to this hub.  I cudn't find ne of "her" posts tho (most hav been deleted)........ As 4 Mandangi, he was a real joker in this hub until he left a few months later.......possibly the 1st known guy to call himself "beautiful" more than once......which made ppl. doubt his masculinity..... U can find sum of his posts in this thread (which even hav his own pic. attached!)......as u go on reading page after page, u'll c how funny they keep getting: http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewt...r=asc&start=60
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11-12-2005, 06:26 AM
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TAMIL CULTURE IN ANCIENT TURKY
H.R.Hall, Mr. Will Durant (The Story of civilization), J.G. Macqueen, (The Hittites and Their cotemporaries in Asia Minor) made archeological studies in Turky. The anchor Dictionary also gives some informations. An abstract from the above is given below. Present Turky ( Asia Minor) was called as 'ANATTROLIA' during Pre-historic period. From the beginning 'sons of soil' lived there. Gradual civilizational forwardness occurred there through Old Stone Age, New Stone Age & Cu Age one by one. During 2000 BCE 'Kaththiyars' gained power. Mesopatiomians(present Eran) called these people as 'Mushkaya'. Egyptians called them as 'Keththa'. Old Bible calls them as "Heth". Modern historiens call them as "Hiththian" / Hittites. Till 1400 BCE they ruled Anattrolia with great power. During 1900 BCE Asirians(present West Asia) were top in Anattrolian business.North Indian Dravidians,Mangolians & Chemithians were there in Anattrolia. The climate was so cool that people were turned white in nature. This white colour originated & migrated from Anattolia to present Europe. Kaththian kings names were Shooppiluli yuma, Mursil, Muthallu, Kanthu seal etc.They followed pillar worship. In Indian Gujarat state still Kaththian people are living. Armeninan land in Anattrolia was top business centre and the people were called Armemians. Asirians called them as "Uoorarthu" and Hebrew people called them as "Araarath". The languages Kurian & Uoorarthi were formulated from Mesapatomian language which was old tamil and Armenians were people who migrated from Mesopatomian "Uoor" land. During 900 BCE "Fridgears" got power in Anattolia. Fridgears came from Greece. A famous story – Fridgean prince story- He got God's accredition that whenever he touches a thing it would become Gold. He touched his food. It also turned as gold. Fridgeans were also called Pariyans. Their were people called "Etraskan" in Italy migrated from Anattrolia during 1500 BCE. Etraskan king was "Heraalks" The culture of Anatrolians was based on tamilian "Kanthu" Worship. Kaththiars(Tamil)-means 'couragious and sharp' were Dravidian origin. The word Kaththian later turned "Shatriar" in north India. Mushkaya(Mutkayan),Shoopiliyuma(Soorapuliyan),Musi l & Muthallu(Muthal),Kanthu seal(Kantha sealan),Uoorarthu(Uoor), Fridgeans/ Parians(Pariyar-means horse people), Heraalks(Veerakkazhal,Even English Hero is from tamil Veeru-eeru-eero-Hero) and many more words and languages are from tamil roots in their meaning and phonetics. Next We may travel into Asiria (present Erak & Eran) f.s.gandhi |
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11-12-2005, 06:48 AM
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Alana wrote :
May I ask the author of this topic what he is trying to prove, that one language is older or better than another one? Their origin is completely different.. Thank you. Dear Alana, My point is to prove All world languages were formulated from single language and that single language is tamil due to its antiquity in World's history. This does not mean all languages were directly derived from tamil. For example English was derived from Latin & Greek. Latin & Greek were from Chemithian language. But Chemithian language was derived from tamil. The comparison is not out of vanity but to integrate all world humans. They have such a resemblance in language rather than colour,race etc. In culture they have passed on different stream but their origin is same. There is no such thing that this is better & that is lower in languages. May be in some practical / spiritual application and the knowledge each language has made higher degree & lower degree. This classification also go out when translation is made in all arts. The 'elderiness' I put in the topic is to specify the origin/beginning of humanhood / civilization. We will not / should not forget our first school teacher who teaches alphabets. In the same way we should think our past and its beginning to derive some lessons for future. f.s.gandhi |
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11-13-2005, 01:01 AM
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I cudn't find ne of "her" posts tho (most hav been deleted)........ As 4 Mandangi, he was a real joker in this hub until he left a few months later.......possibly the 1st known guy to call himself "beautiful" more than once......which made ppl. doubt his masculinity..... Alana, you can come to Holland. The Dutch are very tolerant in that matter and you'll find a lot of more LOLAs too. No need to wait until St. Christopher's Day to come. You can be what you are every day and every night. FSG, I am very sorry for this kind of outburst, but Dr. Veena aka Madangi aka LOLA aka Alana's intension was very clear to me as it was the very 3rd post at all. This person only wanted to start a discussion on the base of Aryan superiority. |
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11-13-2005, 02:22 AM
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Even English Hero is from tamil Veeru-eeru-eero-Hero) and many more words and languages are from tamil roots in their meaning and phonetics. I am not at all a linguist nor a historian or any of that kind. But I don't accept that hereo is English. Most pbly it is Greek. It is interesting to read what you write but somehow I keep back my horses rather than shout hurray. You mentioned pariyan as greek above. Is it related to ariyarns like Asirians with Asurar? Couple of days ago I read that there is a folk in North India of jewish origin and that they came to know that their customs are very similiar to jewish as The Bible were translated to them. The Indian Gov. does not want their conversion now back to their old religion. These people were chased away when the Assurars attacked them long ago and their way of exodus was through Iran to Afghanistan to China and now North east India. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4422510.stm If the Assurars in Hinduism is reffereing to the Assurar here then I am quite sure that "Religion" is nothing else than a history description and not a war between Gods and anti-gods. Hereby I think of the "Nadaraja" and this "Assur-devil". |
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12-01-2005, 07:00 AM
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sivajayan
What is that polite our holy highness Am I you holy highness(?) please don`t call me names. Will you please educate this poor non Aryan but you are free to continue to define yourselff as you wish. Will you please.. Problems? Sorry, i can`t help you, not a doctor Are you ..? Your unhealthy interest in my persona begins to scare me , "rudimental"? where did you find this word? And one more time, my question was not for you, so if you are looking for someone to have a little cat fight i suggest you find someone...well, you know! Have nice day!
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01-31-2006, 07:00 AM
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No, in real life she does not look like it! Because She is a he. Just the LOLA, our holy highness Reminds me of the Mandangi/Dr.Veena days in this hub....... I thought that the topic was about the languages, definitely not about my persona.. To be honest i also thought & think that behind "siva.." is an angry housewife, well, talks like one anyway. As i wrote before i chose this avatar because i liked it, not because i have something to hide. The same way i can use my own , but siva... seems to be allergic to my kind of people Well, let``s see..
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07-29-2006, 07:00 AM
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TAMIL CULTURE IN ANCIENT GREECE
We go into the history of ancient Greece. H.R.Hall (The ancient history of near East), Rhys Carpenter (Discontinuity in Greek Civilization, Pennsylvania,Cambridge University Press),Dr. Vincent Tesfero have done best works about Ancient Greek Civilization. I simply and here give an abstract from their works as below : Those who were living Greece and Egyian Islands in Meditarannean Sea were Greeks. The people are heterogeneous in nature.In this Egyian Civilization's timeline is 2500 BCE.The location & Culture of Egyian Islands with archeological proofs shows that through them people from Asia to Europe & cultural transfer occurred. Mysanayar,Thoriar,Minovars,Ellaniyar & Ayaniars, were five kinds of people lived in Greece and Egyian Islands. Sparta, Korinth, Ego, Athens, Episus, Milattus were great cities of Greece civilization. Greece civilization timeline is 3400 BCE and after discontinuity it regained during 800 BCE. During 3400 BCE Minovar overruled. Minovar had two groups. Those who lived in north Greece were Egyians/Karaiyar and those who lived in south were Ekkiyar. In Egyian civilization, city Naso was head quarter. Mysanayars and Thoriars ruled. During 1500 BCE Minovar of Greece dynasty who worshipped 'Nanthi' invaded & ruled. Ellanian religion prevailed. This sun worship spread through 'Thrai'" (Turky) city.The famous story 'Helina" in which a Sparta Princess was captured by 'Thrai' Prince & all Three kinds of Greece people perished Thrai city to relieve the Helina(Princess). Just like our Ramayan Story!  During 1300 BCE "Thesrottirar" from "Tanyoop" Valley invaded into the Greece.(We shall see who are Thesrottirar later. Because they brought some West Asian thoughts later developed. Here we take up Ancient Greece civilization till 1500 BCE) During 600 BC all West Asian thoughts came into being in Greece. Thus the people of Egyians were heterogeneous formed by natural mingling of African & Asian People and they were the base for European civilization as of now. Greece had Art Alphabets(Siththiram). Homer Stories were world famous. We have already seen north of Saudi Arabia People called Ellamiyar(Tamil Ellamiyar). Elamiyan language is very much related to tamil. H.R.Hall conforms that From Ellam and Arabian 'pant' these tamil/dravidan people reached Anatrolia(present Turky) ,they worshipped "Maayon" (tamil Maayon) and they were called Maayoniars. These maayoniars migrated to Eygian( means 'Iron' persons-Tamil Ekhyian) and called Mysonayar.Two groups of Mysonayar Karaiyar(means black persons-tamil kariyars) & Ekkiar(means Iron persons-tamil Ekhyiars). Minovar(means fishery man-tamil-Meenavar), Thoriar(Sea people-tamil thirayar),Ellaniyar (means sun persons who worshipped sun –tamil Ellaniyar-Ellam means suriyan), Helena Story (tamil Ellinal)- All conforms Tamil roots. The worship followed in Greece was also Suryan worship which tamils followed in ancient days & now in pongal festival. The heterogenious society of Greece had Dravidian-semiththian-African elements and Dravida- tamil elements were more than the other two. Traders & Sea farrers tamils influence has been proved in Greece archeologically. We will travel into Turky next. |
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09-23-2006, 07:00 AM
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Dear Friends
As Mr. Aravindhan said in his message that Languages structural form plays major role in grouping languages.Hindi is basically a tamilian language and you can fill up simply tamil sentences into Hindi sentence Nearly 75% of Words of hindi are shrinked form of tamil. Day today usage words like tikae,Bole,sellana & patna are tamil Thakum(sari),palukku,sellu,pati respectively. As I have already told, tamil culture spread from south to north,south to north west,south to east and south to north east. Earlier I told about Japanese connection and Japanese language still has no similarity of single world language except tamil. Now I want to show that African & South Asian connections of tamil culture. Lets us see What Mr.Hamori an African linguistic and historien says : Chief characteristic of Tamil, the main Dravidian dialect. 1. agglutinative in structure like Ural Altaic 2. relational and non relational nouns 3. every pronoun case has a pronominal suffix/prefix like Ural-Altaic 4. the first syllable receives the accent, like Uralic. 5. first person plural has inclusive and exclusive forms. 6. there are only two numbers plural & singular. like Ural-Altaic 7. no gender in pronouns like Ural-Altaic. 8. No relative pronoun 9. There are 8 case endings in nouns and post positions. So far the most ambitious, the most promising, and most convincing theory is that of Uralian and Altaic relationship with Tamil. Not only linguistic but anthropological, ethnographic, archeological and general historic considerations points towards this direction. This theory under the term "Scythian" was first proposed by Caldwell in 1856, and more serious attempts to support it and to develop it further were made by F.O. Schroder, T. Burrow, and K.Menges. Complete lexical evidences, plus the Keltiminar Culture (next to Aral Sea) of Khorezm points to the same important contacts between the "Ural-Altaian"and Tamil people. There are also comparisons of Tamil with ancient Elamite of ancient Eastern Messopotamia and Iran, which also have been often linked to Uralic and Altaic. This indicates a north-south chain of similar agglutinative, genderless languages from northern Europe to India. Even the Russian Tolstov,in his excavations of Khorezmia mentioned the many north-south and eastern links with this Tamil ancient culture. Let us see what Dr.Willeke Wendrich, Assistant Professor of Near Eastern Languages and Cultures tells about tamil culture : We just finished the eighth excavation season at Berenike, a harbor town on the Red Sea coast founded in the third century BCE and abandoned in the sixth century ACE It is a settlement through which an important part of the trade between the Roman Empire and the Far East passed. Most of our evidence for long distance trade comes from botanical analysis, but we also have important results from the analysis of beads, textiles, and pottery. Textual evidence for long-distance contacts is one Tamil-Brahmi graffito and a bilingual Greek-Palmyrene inscription. Similarly, Chinese historical sources which refer to the maritime traders bringing typical South Indian products to China as far back as 7th Century B.C.E, 'were generally regarded with incredulity.' These accounts have now received striking confirmation by the discovery in the Philippines of a number of Iron age finds bearing close resemblance to objects found in South India of about the same period - the first millennium(1000) B.C. (According to Paul Palliot there is evidence in Chinese literature of diplomatic relations between South Indian Courts and the Chinese Empire as early as the 2nd Century B.C.E. A Chinese writer, Pau Kou who lived at the end of the 1st century, mentions that in the time of the Hun Emperor the Chola Kings sent ambassadors to China. - K. M. Pannikar "India and China", pp. 17, 18. ) "Professor Beyer conducted a remarkable series of excavations during the years 1926 to 1930, and the evidence has been summed up by R.B.Dixon, who did a first-hand examination of the objects brought to light by Prof. Beyer. Among the finds were a large variety of iron weapons and implements and glass beads and bangles made in the Tamil country." (K.A.N.Sastri). I shall quote what Dixon has to say of these: "Now both the iron and glass objects are similar to, and in some cases identical with, the prehistoric glass and iron finds in the South of India. They occur in the dolmen tombs and urns which are found by hundreds and thousands, and which almost antedate the historic Chola, Chera, Pandyan kingdoms whose history goes several centuries back before Christian era. As finds of similar glass bead. and bangles have recently been excavated in the Malay Peninsula, in dolmen tombs in Java and in North Borneo, the inference is inescapable that we have clear evidence of trade contact with the Northern Philippines and Southern India, running well back into the first millennium(1000) B.C.E. "The extensive trade and colonisation and later conquests of South Indian kingdoms in Sumatra and Java as well as in Indo-China in the early centuries of the Christian era, of course, are well known. This new material, however, seems to make it clear that this was far from being the beginning of such contacts, but rather the last stages in an association reaching as far as the Northern Philippines which had begun many centuries before." About Adichanallur At Adichanallur, an ancient site on the banks of the Tambraparani in the Tinnevely district, extensive prehistoric urn burials and iron implements related to those found in the Philippines and Palestine have been unearthed. A remarkable find was the three-pronged fork or trident of iron. Many such tridents were discovered at Adichanallur. This evidence suggests that the worship of Murugan or Velan, the son of Siva (known as the God of Kataragama in Ceylon), was popular in the Tamil country even in those remote times. This Muruga worship would appear to have been carried by the Tamils to Palestine and Syria in the West, to Ceylon in the South, and to the distant Philippines across the Indian and Pacific Oceans. In 1200 B.C at Adichanallur, the Tamils were found to have cultivated rice, and it was in this region that the iron industry had its origin. There is every evidence to prove that the Tamils were the earliest people to introduce the cultivation of rice and the use of iron implements to the countries in the West as well as in South East Asia. In support of this contention I would quote two distinguished authorities - Piggott in his "Prehistoric India., page 43 (Pelican Books, 1952), says with regard to rice, "It seems probable that rice cultivation began earlier in India than it did in China and that the knowledge reached the latter country about 2000 B.C.". With regard to the centre of origin of iron, I give an extract from the Bulletin of the British Iron and Steel Federation,1949. Sir William Larke, Director of the British Iron and Steel Federation, says - "The centre of origin is variously placed in India, where there are historical traditions and remains indicating a highly developed iron culture. Hyderabad and Trichinopoly are considered by many to have been the centres of production of wootz..... This steel was noted for centuries, being carried by merchants from India to Damascus and Toledo.." It will be noted that both these sites are in South India (Deccan). Sir William gives the date of this origin of the iron age as 1400 to 1500 B.C.E The iron implements found in the Adichanallur site about the same period, and the transport of iron hoes and tridents to distant countries such as Palestine and the Philippines confirms this conclusion. For the purpose of studying the influence of Indian Art and Culture in the countries of South-East Asia, Quaritch Wales in his recent work, "The Making of Great India", divides South-East Asian countries into two zones - the Western Zone and the Eastern Zone. Under the Western Zone he includes Ceylon, Burma, Central Siam, Malaya and Sumatra; while he includes Java, Champa (Siam) and Cambodia in the Eastern Zone. REGARDING VEDHIC PROTAGONISTS: The author (Quaritch Wales} points out that Indian scholars - most of them North Indians and a few Aryanised Brahmins of South India - seem often to have tended to over emphasise the overseas influence of their own part of the country - the implication being that they have exaggerated the role played by North Indian and Aryan culture in South-East Asia. He, however, accepts unhesitatingly the conclusion arrived at by M. Coedes, another great authority on South-East Asian Culture that - "All the regions of India contributed more or less to this expansion, and it is South India that had the greatest part, for the Southern half of the Greater India - consisting of Ceylon, Java. Sumatra. Borneo, Malaya and Bali - was naturally most exposed to South Indian influence." More recently, M. Stern has shown that even in Champa (Siam) and Cambodia which are included in the Eastern Zones by Quaritch Wales, Pallava (Tamil) influences have played a significant part from very early times in the evolution of their culture. f.s.gandhi |
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