[perpelverw]

I figure since people post here they actually pay attention to the "sport" way more than I do.

Anyway, here's my question, how is the impending entrance of Toyota being accepted by the general NASCAR fan? I would think they'd be opposed to them as Anti-American. The reason I ask is my employer decided to co-sponsor the Toyota team next year.

I think its a collosal mistake, but wanted to find out how the average fan felt about Toyota to see if my perception is correct that sponsoring them will create more negative press and impressions than positive.

[Buincchotourbss]

unfortunately, the Toyota is more American made than many of the American made cars and trucks. My driver is going to Toyota so I will have to support it. It might be the only one I would support though.

[AlabamaBoyz]

unfortunately, the Toyota is more American made than many of the American made cars and trucks.

I completely agree with this. I have a Toyota engineering facility two blocks from me and I'm in Michigan.

I was just thinking of stereotypical Joe Union NASCAR fan. Do they realize this?

[ENCOSEARRALIA]

As Manny said, the Toyota's sold in th U.S. are mostly made in the U.S. and are very accepted by Nascar fans and everyone else, this isn't the 70's any more.

Toyota and Honda have been the face of Indy car racing for years now and have also been pretty successful in the Nascar Truck Series fro 3 years now so I don't see it as a big deal to fans or any one else for that matter. The "BUY AMERICAN" motto has gone out the window since NAFTA was signed into affect. Also might help if Ford, Dodge and GM would mkae some better products(yes I own GM cars).

[joulseenjoync]

I completely agree with this. I have a Toyota engineering facility two blocks from me and I'm in Michigan.

I was just thinking of stereotypical Joe Union NASCAR fan. Do they realize this?

I can't speak for the union type fan, some are dead set against Toyota, others aren't. The other manufacturers are scared shitless though as Toyota does tend to spend a lot of money on R&D.

[zibTefapparia]

I can't speak for the union type fan, some are dead set against Toyota, others aren't. The other manufacturers are scared shitless though as Toyota does tend to spend a lot of money on R&D.

R&D is how you develope a better product though. The best R&D for just about any type of vehicle is through racing and competition. Same goes for the products used on and in vehicles. Racing provides some of the harshest proving grounds for any automotive, marine, or aeronautical product.

I have to admit, I haven't liked the product that just about any of the U.S. automakers (G.M. FOMOCO, and DaimlerChrysler) have been putting out since the mid-70's. Granted there have been some exciting models, but quality in an American manufacturer is almost unheard of. The quality of the materials used is second rate and the quality of assembly is second rate. The root of all this is in the engineering. Quality is something that can be engineered into a product in terms of materials used, specification tollerance, process efficiencies, etc... The Japanese, and even Korean manufacturers to an extent now are whoopin' our asses in this department for years now. A U.S. vehicle doesn't last nearly as long as a Japanese and many Korean cars/trucks.

Toyota has a whole culture that drives its business. TMS (Toyota Manufacturing System) and 5S are both theories and practices that shape and form a person's being within the company. Lean Manufacturing is a way of life. Discipline is crucial in these manufacturing plants. Things like Kan Ban, two bin system, Kaizen events, and Just in Time are essential pieces of the puzzle. All the U.S. employees of these companies have fully bought into this way of thinking too. And, they are much better workers for it and getting better every day.

Continuous Improvement folks, it's the name of the game today.

[Jon Woodgate]

I can't speak for the union type fan, some are dead set against Toyota, others aren't. The other manufacturers are scared shitless though as Toyota does tend to spend a lot of money on R&D.

My Avalanche was made in Mexico. Camry's are mostly made in the US.

I'll support DJ even though I'm disgusted with his 3 year run of disappointing results (at least 3 years, don't really want to think about it).

While I'd like to see him land a 15 mill sponsor I almost hope UPS doesn't go with him. He hasn't run worth a fuck since that car's been brown.

[EzequielTMann]

My Avalanche was made in Mexico. Camry's are mostly made in the US.

I'll support DJ even though I'm disgusted with his 3 year run of disappointing results (at least 3 years, don't really want to think about it).

While I'd like to see him land a 15 mill sponsor I almost hope UPS doesn't go with him. He hasn't run worth a fuck since that car's been brown.

That's pretty shitty now isn't it?

Sorry, I couldn't resist the shit joke.

[xgnuwdd]

My Avalanche was made in Mexico. Camry's are mostly made in the US.

I'll support DJ even though I'm disgusted with his 3 year run of disappointing results (at least 3 years, don't really want to think about it).

While I'd like to see him land a 15 mill sponsor I almost hope UPS doesn't go with him. He hasn't run worth a fuck since that car's been brown.

Do you mean, assembled in Mexico, engineered in the U.S., and fabricated in Argentina or some South American country or Far Eastern island nation?

[exhibeKed]

well it could be Domino's/Burger King as your sponsor then RYR

[Promalada]

well it could be Domino's/Burger King as your sponsor then RYR

Great, cheap shitty pizza and hamburgers.

So I've got to buy a Camry and balloon up to over 300 pounds to be a real fan.

[Alexeryy]

Great, cheap shitty pizza and hamburgers.

So I've got to buy a Camry and balloon up to over 300 pounds to be a real fan.

Everything in moderation my good man. Everything in moderation. Besides, how often to you use UPS, unless you own/run a business or do a ton of stuff on eBay?