[imawlBoli]

Driver -Seb, closely followed by Button and Schumacher for me. good job by Alguesari to bring home some more points too.

Donkey - as other thread, Massa for destroying his suspension again on the kerbs that everyone else avoided, and for causing an avoidable accident (the stewards are always right, I've been told enough times this year), Hamilton for being a bit pants in the race and generally looking like a moody teenager at the moment and the Dust for negating the lovely wide track

[Optosypoeds]

Seb, Button and MS, and in that order.

Donkey - Steward who gave massa a penalty, I dont think Massa was a donkey, cause people were saying his was the only car running the weird flexi wing, and that could have caused the suspension to lose strength and eventually brake down.

[Hervams]

Reading through the interview Felipe had with the BBC, I can't say I'm impressed with some of his remarks. Hamilton mentioned he had approached Massa and wished him a good race and it seems Felipe thinks he was being sarcastic or didn't appreciate him talking to him.

"Here after the one-minute silence he was [at] my side and he just said 'have a good race'," Massa explained.

"So this is trying to what? 'Have a good race' is not part of talking or whatever." You just want to say 'grow the hell up' you're men for goodness sake. A disappointing race for both drivers in reality, and I think both will be glad when this season is over.

BBC Sport - Felipe Massa not planning truce with Lewis Hamilton

[byncnombmub]

He saw lewis alongside and decided to turn in anyway. Really crap Massa, really crap.

[Biassasecumma]

Regarding RBR's quickness after the start... I remember, when no refueling was introduced, it was said that the Renault engine was less thirsty than others and that's why teams using that engine would benefit by being especially fast in the beginning of races as they would need to carry less fuel. There hasn't been any mention of this theory recently, but perhaps could be the case?

The Renault is not only a frugal engine it also has less power than the Mercedes and Ferrari engines so it is a rather mute point IMO.

[byncnombmub]

The Renault is not only a frugal engine it also has less power than the Mercedes and Ferrari engines so it is a rather mute point IMO.

Used to. Don't you remember the FIA gave them leave to catch up or did you conveniently forget that

[Biassasecumma]

Used to. Don't you remember the FIA gave them leave to catch up or did you conveniently forget that

All of them were given that possibility until a couple of years ago. IMO Renault made the choice to go with less consumption and thus less power given the race fuel regulation.

[PRengine]

The should just go ahead and name it the "Lewis Hamilton Donkey of the Race Award"

[xanonlinexan]

He saw lewis alongside and decided to turn in anyway. Really crap Massa, really crap.

Hamilton lifted and besides, you go off the line and you're off. Lewis hit Massa's rear tire not the front. What's that say about position? Steward is Donkey!

[nasxbrtyol]

The race steward who made the Massa/Hammy call. Think it was Herbert?

[AOE6q4bu]

Lewis is trying to take from the inside and Massa is trying to defend. Is it only me, Massa is visible already at the front, actually he can avoid hitting Massa's rear wheel, 'too offensive'. For being offensive and defensive drivers both drivers deserve penalty imo.

Man of the race is Mr. Bean, pulling facial expression for the incident.

[roundman]

Donkey - as other thread, Massa for destroying his suspension again on the kerbs that everyone else avoided

I don't think Massa is totally at fault for this one. In this onboard video Michael consistently hits the 'baguettes' (including the one that Massa hit during the race) with no ill effects. It seems to me that the area around joint between the pushrod and upright/wishbone on the Ferrari is simply too weak.

[movlabz]

Lewis is trying to take from the inside and Massa is trying to defend. Is it only me, Massa is visible already at the front, actually he can avoid hitting Massa's rear wheel, 'too offensive'. For being offensive and defensive drivers both drivers deserve penalty imo.

Man of the race is Mr. Bean, pulling facial expression for the incident.

I laughed out loud when I saw Bean do his face, and then I started to question myself.
Was it really a Bean expression?

[byncnombmub]

All of them were given that possibility until a couple of years ago. IMO Renault made the choice to go with less consumption and thus less power given the race fuel regulation.

What?? That really is the one of the most brain dead posts I have read on here in a long time!! (And there has been quite a lot of competition)

Renault purpously made the choice to have a less powerful engine because it gave them better fuel consumption.

They will always go for the most useable power vs reliability vs fuel consumption. No engine manufacturer would cripple themselves in a Motor Racing series by purpously designing a more fuel efficient engine with less power unless there was a fuel restriction on the race itself that affected them.

I really have read it all now

[huerta]

Seb, Button and MS, and in that order.

Donkey - Steward who gave massa a penalty, I dont think Massa was a donkey, cause people were saying his was the only car running the weird flexi wing, and that could have caused the suspension to lose strength and eventually brake down.

Cough cough cbull5hitough

[huerta]

I don't think Massa is totally at fault for this one. In this onboard video Michael consistently hits the 'baguettes' (including the one that Massa hit during the race) with no ill effects. It seems to me that the area around joint between the pushrod and upright/wishbone on the Ferrari is simply too weak.

No excuse for not realising this when he knocked the tracking out before.

[huerta]

I really have read it all now

Mia will be along shortly to dispute that........

[Biassasecumma]

What?? That really is the one of the most brain dead posts I have read on here in a long time!! (And there has been quite a lot of competition)

Renault purpously made the choice to have a less powerful engine because it gave them better fuel consumption.

They will always go for the most useable power vs reliability vs fuel consumption. No engine manufacturer would cripple themselves in a Motor Racing series by purpously designing a more fuel efficient engine with less power unless there was a fuel restriction on the race itself that affected them.

I really have read it all now

Mate turn on your brain next time before posting.
Or maybe you're smarter than Renault engine department, which I very highly doubt, in fact I am very sure about it.
Also if you managed to come up with a highly competitive engine that puts out more power at less consumption than the cometition from Mercedes and Ferrari can do then by all means contact Renault and you'll be rich!
Or just keep yourself from posting such embarrassing hot air.

[huerta]

Mate turn on your brain next time before posting.
Or maybe you're smarter than Renault engine department, which I very highly doubt, in fact I am very sure about it.
Also if you managed to come up with a highly competitive engine that puts out more power at less consumption than the cometition from Mercedes and Ferrari can do then by all means contact Renault and you'll be rich!
Or just keep yourself from posting such embarrassing hot air.

Renault has, with the grateful help of one C Horner, been jumping up and down as recently as last season bleating on about how they are down on power and that it is just not fair on them.

As a result of this inability to build an engine that a) remains intact when rotating at 18k rpm and b)as a result had to compromise on power output, they have themselves a frugal motor.

When they finally worked out how to fix it and started the 'more power campaign', they needed to be allowed special dispensation to do it, and I suspect they were allowed to 'equalise' their performance.

If the motor was now so down on power, what is the logic behind also using an underpowered but space optimised KERS???????

[Biassasecumma]

Renault has, with the grateful help of one C Horner, been jumping up and down as recently as last season bleating on about how they are down on power and that it is just not fair on them.

As a result of this inability to build an engine that a) remains intact when rotating at 18k rpm and b)as a result had to compromise on power output, they have themselves a frugal motor.

When they finally worked out how to fix it and started the 'more power campaign', they needed to be allowed special dispensation to do it, and I suspect they were allowed to 'equalise' their performance.

If the motor was now so down on power, what is the logic behind also using an underpowered but space optimised KERS???????

What part of IMO didn't you and knockie understand?