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Old 07-10-2011, 09:51 PM   #21
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Horner sounds like a ****er.

And so is Eddie Jordan for his comments.
Eddie is second only to Ron Dennis in the all time F1 w@nker rankings
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:51 PM   #22
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Watching the press conference, hope Webber says someting, gotta love the drama! Would be unlike him to toe the party line...
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:52 PM   #23
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And so is Eddie Jordan for his comments.
what did he say?
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:53 PM   #24
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EJ gifted his inaugral win to Hill.

Nothing wrong. Team orders is part of F1 as we all know. Even when team orders were 'illegal' races were called off at the last stint.

If Webber took out Vettel or vice versa RBR would look stupid and not just the drivers.
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:53 PM   #25
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Horner looking pretty sheepish on BBC explaining his decision.
"His" decision? That had Markko written all over it.
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:53 PM   #26
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It sure was a poor showing, but we all can all thank Ferrari for team orders being legal again!
Did you see how Massa didn't attack Alonso at the start today and two weeks ago, even though he came away better and was on the inside of the first corner, and instead he was so careful not to disturb Alonso that he even lost 1 place each time?!
What should RBR do now that even the rules have been rewritten to advantage Ferrari? Leave the sport or use all the allowed means to keep ahead?
Are you talking about the same Ferrari that used Team orders when you supported them whilst your beloved Michael was there...and you din't had problems with that ?
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:55 PM   #27
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"His" decision? That had Markko written all over it.
ioan telling you that your WRONG in 3, 2, 1....
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:55 PM   #28
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what did he say?
That Horner is absolutely right, etc...
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:55 PM   #29
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It sure was a poor showing, but we all can all thank Ferrari for team orders being legal again!
Did you see how Massa didn't attack Alonso at the start today and two weeks ago, even though he came away better and was on the inside of the first corner, and instead he was so careful not to disturb Alonso that he even lost 1 place each time?!
What should RBR do now that even the rules have been rewritten to advantage Ferrari? Leave the sport or use all the allowed means to keep ahead?
no problem with it being legal, but RBR have repeatedley said that they would let their drivers race. Until they were actually racing and they decided they didn't like it. I don't know, but I am pretty sure that if the positions had been reversed there would have been no such instruction to hold station
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:56 PM   #30
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Doesn't matter to Vettel, Helmet or Red Bull how they win the title.
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:56 PM   #31
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"His" decision? That had Markko written all over it.
"The" decision then? Besides, I doubt Horner would've argued against it even if it was someone else's order.
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:58 PM   #32
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Horner swore blue last year that Red Bull would never use team orders. A lot changes in 12 months it would seem.
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:59 PM   #33
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no problem with it being legal, but RBR have repeatedley said that they would let their drivers race. Until they were actually racing and they decided they didn't like it. I don't know, but I am pretty sure that if the positions had been reversed there would have been no such instruction to hold station
Yes, and this is the point
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:59 PM   #34
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"The" decision then? Besides, I doubt Horner would've argued against it even if it was someone else's order.
Mind you he did say "it wasn't my opinion, it was the team's opinion"....
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:00 PM   #35
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And another question mark on Vettel's ability to overtake for podium position for his inability to pass Vettel.
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:02 PM   #36
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"His" decision? That had Markko written all over it.
Remind us who is the team manager in charge at RedBull, Marko or Horner?! Marko is only a puppet doing the rounds in order to keep an Austrian close in the team, he's not taking any decision.
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:03 PM   #37
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Mind you he did say "it wasn't my opinion, it was the team's opinion"....
So as team principal (or whatever his title) he should be able to overrule it, or if he strongly disagreed he could've had a "radio malfunction" or something.

Anyway, Horner knows who signs his paychecks, and if you're going to annoy one of your drivers you're going to side with the younger one who's running away with the title aren't you?
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:06 PM   #38
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Remind us who is the team manager in charge at RedBull, Marko or Horner?! Marko is only a puppet doing the rounds in order to keep an Austrian close in the team, he's not taking any decision.
Markko is much more than a puppet, he is more the puppet master.
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:06 PM   #39
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Are you talking about the same Ferrari that used Team orders when you supported them whilst your beloved Michael was there...and you din't had problems with that ?
You can roll your eyes out of your head if you wish to, the orders were legal when MS drove and Todt was in charge. They were illegal last season when Alonso started driving and the italian bunch had taken over the team 'management'.

I know that the difference between legal and illegal is only a couple of letters, but I am sure you know what it means.

Anyway do not worry I am not the only one seeing how Ferrari manipulate the rules again to their advantage, or was it not Ferrari and Sauber who didn't sign an agreement that all other teams agreed to this morning?
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:07 PM   #40
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Remind us who is the team manager in charge at RedBull, Marko or Horner?! Marko is the puppet-master
I fixed that for you.

So as team principal (or whatever his title) he should be able to overrule it, or if he strongly disagreed he could've had a "radio malfunction" or something.
As above, Horner has no real power or ability to do anything.
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