[costamarianavia]

...do you think he would have overtaken Alonso?

[BitStillrhile]

No, the Hungaroring is a track completely unsuitable for overtaking, Barrichello needed a three second a lap advantage to blow his way by Michael Schumacher (and even then it took a few laps). The Red Bull might have been the class of the field but it never had enough of an advantage to pass the Ferrari. It would have taken a mistake by Fernando Alonso for anyone to have passed him.

[ATTILAGLIC]

...do you think he would have overtaken Alonso?

Not really.

[Jffxljtw]

No

[TimoDass]

Ooh, a "what if". I'd go for no, you just can't get close enough to pass.

[fluistulkn]

...do you think he would have overtaken Alonso?

He wasn't. He didn't. And Fred picked up 14 points on him

[Lerpenoaneway]

Not today.

[Katrinsitter]

Impossible to say.

[costamarianavia]

No, the Hungaroring is a track completely unsuitable for overtaking, Barrichello needed a three second a lap advantage to blow his way by Michael Schumacher (and even then it took a few laps). The Red Bull might have been the class of the field but it never had enough of an advantage to pass the Ferrari. It would have taken a mistake by Fernando Alonso for anyone to have passed him.

Well, Hamilton overtook Petrov after the first couple of laps, with a pretty good maneuver on the outside, although I admit the Renault was a bit out of shape coming out of the corner.

Vettel's pole time was 1.2 seconds faster than Alonso's, and Hamilton's time was 0.8 seconds faster during qualifying. So, I would say the Renault was closer to the Mclaren performance wise this weekend. So, if Hamilton could make it stick, Vettel probably could have as well if he was braver, especially since the Red Bull has such good cornering grip.

However, Hungaroring is probably the worst track to talk about any possibility of overtaking.

[gugamotina]

I reckon he at least would have been able to try a couple of times, unlike Vettel who was never in the frame. The kid is surely fast according to the lap times, but he's no real fighter.. He's too mistake-prone , not wise enough and Webbo clearly knows that as we could see in the post race press conference.

It's not that Vettel was being cautious behind Alonso , he just couldn't do it....

[costamarianavia]

He wasn't. He didn't. And Fred picked up 14 points on him

Well, my question wasn't about what you think it is. It's about racecraft, and about Hamilton "probably" having better overtaking skills than both Vettel and Fred combined.

[fluistulkn]

Well, my question wasn't about what you think it is. It's about racecraft, and about Hamilton "probably" having better overtaking skills than both Vettel and Fred combined.

You forgot to mention Kimi

[costamarianavia]

I reckon he at least would have been able to try a couple of times, unlike Vettel who was never in the frame. The kid is surely fast according to the lap times, but he's no real fighter.. He's too mistake-prone , not wise enough and Webbo clearly knows that as we could see in the post race press conference.

It's not that Vettel was being cautious behind Alonso , he just couldn't do it....

Probably it would have been too tough for Hamilton as well, since it's a combination of Hungaroring and Alonso's defensive driving in that Ferrari. Still, probably he would have timed and planned the overtaking better than Vettel, and probably gone for a banzai move.

[costamarianavia]

You forgot to mention Kimi

Should I mention Kimi's name in all of my posts from now on if it provides some sort of satisfaction for you? Use the search option.

[Katrinsitter]

Sorry, why are we wasting time on such a daft hypothetical question?

Ok then, if Hakkinen was driving for Mercedes instead of Schumacher, would he have pushed Barrichello towards the pitwall? If Eddie Jordan was running Red Bull would they have pitted Webber on the same lap as Vettel? If a giant mutant wasp landed on the circuit and flew off with Massa's car, would they red flag the race?

[D6Ri5u13]

Sorry, why are we wasting time on such a daft hypothetical question?

Nothing daft.

Another example of Vettel's racecraft called into question

[Mmccqrtb]

not on this track, but hamilton would have shown some attempts at a pass to put FA on the defensive so as to possibly cause a mistake.

Vettel never tried.

But in the absence of a mistake for FA, the answer is not on this track, no more than webber would have passed FA when webber was behind fred


Besides vettel was still trying to figure out about the drive through rather than to worry over passing Fred

[markkisil]

I dont think so.

[Katrinsitter]

Nothing daft.

Another example of Vettel's racecraft called into question

Maybe on this day he reasoned that 3rd was better than crashing. A driver in a different championship position may have had different reasoning. Impossible to tell.

[costamarianavia]

Sorry, why are we wasting time on such a daft hypothetical question?

My point is that while Vettel is a very fast driver, he's not very good at overtaking, and somebody else in the same car probably would have done a better job. No need to get your panties in a bunch. Half of the forum threads are based on hypothetical questions, especially during the off season. If you don't wanna discuss on this thread, you have plenty of other threads on this forum to "waste" your time with.

If the mods think this thread is stupid, they may very well delete it.