[eCw56dzY]

Well we have a long summer break to get through so I thought I might restart this one from last year.

Give each driver a grade based on your views of their performances so far this season, but to make it a little different from last years we'll be using the O.W.L system where we shall be awarding grades O, E, A, P, D, T (Outstanding, Exceeds expectations, Acceptable, Poor, Dreadful and Troll).

So go ahead, knock yourself out. Or don't, but do!

Ps - yes I am aware I have blatently pilfered JK Rowlings work, but

[ropinirole]

Mark Webber - O
Lewis Hamilton - O
Robert Kubica - O

Jenson Button - E
Rubens Barrichello - E
Nico Rosberg - E
Adrian Sutil - E
Kamui Kobayashi - E

Sebastian Vettel - A
Fernando Alonso - A
Felipe Massa - A
Vitaly Petrov - A

Sakon Yamamoto - D

Michael Schumacher - T

[Kokomoxddcvcv]

The only relevant grades are the results? You want grades?

Read the championship table.
Read who has the most pole positions.
Read who has won the most grands prix.

Anything else is irrelevant new agey B f...... S!!!!!

The logical result of this sort of nonsense is at the end of the season debating whether the WDC is "deserving". On this matter I refer y'all to Kimi's comments last year. I miss that driver!

[loginptsa]

I would have to say that Hamilton has managed to always be there or thereabouts, my vote goes to him. His lowest finish is 6th, and that was after starting 20th in Malaysia, and being crashed into in Australia. Has been faster than his teammate and avoided making stuff-ups like championship rivals Webber, Vettel and Alonso have.

[Mypepraipse]

The only relevant grades are the results? You want grades?

Read the championship table.
Read who has the most pole positions.
Read who has won the most grands prix.

Anything else is irrelevant new agey B f...... S!!!!!

The logical result of this sort of nonsense is at the end of the season debating whether the WDC is "deserving". On this matter I refer y'all to Kimi's comments last year. I miss that driver!

No. Not from you. thank you. come again... not!

And back on topic... I expected FA and SV to do better. LH and MW are doing a very good job while JB is not as bad as expected.


While MS is the donkey of the season. Thank you for coming back to correct a bit those statistics.

[blodwarttufla]

Level O
Mark Webber
Lewis Hamilton

Level E
Jenson Button
Robert Kubica
Adrian Sutil
Kamui Kobayashi

Level A
Sebastian Vettel
Fernando Alonso
Felipe Massa
Nico Rosberg
Rubens Barrichello
Pedro De La Rosa
Vitaly Petrov
Heikki Kovalainen
Timo Glock
Sebastian Buemi
Jaime Alguersuari

Level P
Viantonio Liuzzi
Nico Hulkenberg
Jarno Trulli
Karun Chandhok
Bruno Senna
Lucas Di Grassi

Level D
Michael Schumacher
Sakon Yamamoto

Level T
*In my view, these drivers all do a pretty good job and none deserve to be a Troll.

However if this had been last season Luca Badoer would have made it into T.

[eCw56dzY]

St.D: Isn't the point of joining a discussion forum, to, erm, discuss things? Come on, join in. It much more fun than being all high and mighty all the time.

My outstanding grades go to;

Web's, Hamilton (much as it pains me) and Rosberg.

[HotDolly]

How I rate the field, doing it a little differently

TOP 5 DRIVERS OF THE SEASON SO FAR (Taking quality of car out of the equation)
1. Mark Webber
2. Lewis Hamilton
3. Robert Kubica
4. Sebastian Vettel
5. Kamui Kobayashi
SUPRISE OF THE SEASON: Robert Kubica
DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE SEASON: Michael Schumacher
BEST ROOKIE: Vitaly Petrov
BEST NEWBIE TEAM DRIVER: Heikki Kovalainen
BEST "PRIVATEER" TEAM DRIVER: Adrian Sutil
BEST OVERTAKING MANOUVERE: Kamui Kobayashi on Fernando Alonso (Valencia)
TESTER THAT SHOULD BE IN A RACE SEAT: Paul di Resta
DRIVERS TO WATCH OUT FOR IN SEASON RUN-IN: Rubens Barricello, Nico Hulkenberg, Kamui Kobayashi

[enurneAcourdy]

'O' Level: Mark Webber, Lewis Hamilton, Robert Kubica, Rubens Barrichello

'E' Level: Sebastian Vettel, Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button, Adrian Sutil, Nico Rosberg, Heikki Kovalainen, Jaime Alguersuari

'A' Level: Pedro de la Rosa, Vitaly Petrov, Vitantonio Liuzzi, Felipe Massa, Nico Hulkenberg, Sebastian Buemi, Kamui Kobayashi, Karun Chandhok, Bruno Senna

'P' Level: Sakon Yamamoto, Michael Schumacher, Lucas di Grassi, Jarno Trulli, Timo Glock

[werkeeque]

Only driver worthy of Outstanding is Hamilton. He's been the most solid driver so far of the WDC contenders.

Kubica too has been impressive.

[Kokomoxddcvcv]

St.D: Isn't the point of joining a discussion forum, to, erm, discuss things? Come on, join in. It much more fun than being all high and mighty all the time.

My outstanding grades go to;

Web's, Hamilton (much as it pains me) and Rosberg.

I am discussing - I consider any rating other than what drivers achieve on track to be irrelevant. Thats my point and that is what I have stated.

I do agree with the current table results. Webber in fact ought to have a much higher lead. He has settled down, and is in the "zone" I first learnt about when discussed by his compatriot AJ.

Whoever wins the title has been the best driver that year and anything else IS bs and so I agree 100% with Kimi. Otherwise we indulge silly situations.

How can anyone declare that any other driver this year has been better tham Webber at this stage? He has FOUR wins and everyone else TWO apiece.

How can anyone sat that Vettel is not the quickest? He has SEVEN pole positions.

I am happy with the real ratings.

[Vobomei]

I am happy with the real ratings.

Then your time on this thread is over my friend. Nothing to see here. This is abit of fun when discussing performance, and you aren't in the spirit of things.

[evarekataVame]

Nothing wrong with discussing what you think of the drivers - that's what a discussion forum is all about!

For me the driver who has performed consistently well, above the level of his car is Lewis Hamilton. Button has been surprising only that he's not too far behind Hamilton! But that's only from expectations, although the gap has been getting wider as the season has gone on - the opposite of what everyone expected!

I'd like to say Webber, but he's been consistently out performed by his team mate in terms of pace.

[nilliraq]

Only driver worthy of Outstanding is Hamilton. He's been the most solid driver so far of the WDC contenders.

Kubica too has been impressive.

Is The Boss solid or outstanding? Not a very convincing argument.

I'll take that as an "S", a new category, nothing wrong with that. He’s adapted well in the area of conserving his rubber, and that may have saved him from overdriving the MP4/25 and making the kind of errors of aggression that has reared its ugly head on occasion in the past. He is certainly not alone in that arena.

Kubinski rates an "I"? Not much to argue about there. I'd add that I've been impressed with him from his first podium at Monza. The R30's development has also been impressive.

There is one category that is conspicuous by its absence. Category "C"
That guy Fred? He is a rather clever fellow.

[evarekataVame]

There is one category that is conspicuous by its absence. Category "C"
That guy Fred? He is a rather clever fellow.

I concur with your sentiment!

[SantaClaus]

This grading system is confusing. Are we supposed to be rating on actual achievement, or achievement relative to original expectations?

[dfuzioniag]

I'd like to say Webber, but he's been consistently out performed by his team mate in terms of pace.

define what you mean by pace, because qualy ain't the race.
I remember Trulli as an outstanding qualifier in his prime but somewhat average in the race. Same with Rosberg. Usually De La Rosa does a better Job of qualy than Kobayashi, but come sunday's and Kobayashi clearly outshines his teammate.

The same can be said for Webber. Vettel may do well in Qualy,but come race day that "pace" has not earned him that many victories. Webber on the other hand has delivered when it mattered, and next to Hamilton has been the most consistent driver. By any calculation and analysis, it is clear that Webber has done a better job than Vettel.To me what webber did in hungary to pull out that gap while on older tires was perhaps the most amazing thing this year.
By the way he was pulling away from Vettel as well, already up to 7 seconds when Vettel served his penalty.

[werkeeque]

Is The Boss solid or outstanding? Not a very convincing argument.

I'll take that as an "S", a new category, nothing wrong with that. He’s adapted well in the area of conserving his rubber, and that may have saved him from overdriving the MP4/25 and making the kind of errors of aggression that has reared its ugly head on occasion in the past. He is certainly not alone in that arena.

We all know Hamilton is an outstanding driver, nothing more to add, no point preaching to the converted - unless you're a Saint of the Devote variety

But this is half term grades. I fully agree that the real Hamilton will need to show up at the final few races when he expects his natural talents to save him from trouble when he should instead stick for points.

[eCw56dzY]

This grading system is confusing. Are we supposed to be rating on actual achievement, or achievement relative to original expectations?

I've been working against how I expected them to do, but hey I don't make the rules - score how you like.

[n2Oddw8P]

I am discussing - I consider any rating other than what drivers achieve on track to be irrelevant. Thats my point and that is what I have stated.

I do agree with the current table results. Webber in fact ought to have a much higher lead. He has settled down, and is in the "zone" I first learnt about when discussed by his compatriot AJ.

Whoever wins the title has been the best driver that year and anything else IS bs and so I agree 100% with Kimi. Otherwise we indulge silly situations.

How can anyone declare that any other driver this year has been better tham Webber at this stage? He has FOUR wins and everyone else TWO apiece.

How can anyone sat that Vettel is not the quickest? He has SEVEN pole positions.

I am happy with the real ratings.

You seem to be missing the whole point... ie, to rate the drivers only... not the driver/car combo.

Im happy to go along with aki13's ratings

Level O
Mark Webber
Lewis Hamilton

Level E
Jenson Button
Robert Kubica
Adrian Sutil
Kamui Kobayashi

Level A
Sebastian Vettel
Fernando Alonso
Felipe Massa
Nico Rosberg
Rubens Barrichello
Pedro De La Rosa
Vitaly Petrov
Heikki Kovalainen
Timo Glock
Sebastian Buemi
Jaime Alguersuari

Level P
Viantonio Liuzzi
Nico Hulkenberg
Jarno Trulli
Karun Chandhok
Bruno Senna
Lucas Di Grassi

Level D
Michael Schumacher
Sakon Yamamoto