[Mr_White]

You know you're a real superstar when you inspire new rules .

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-138678.html

[Nmoitmzr]

Awesome, go Lewis..

[russianstallian]

The new rule requires a certain amount of fuel to remain in the tank after qualifying.

This could cause problems! A perfectly legitimate qualifying place being ruled out as the car is a few mililitres short of the regulatory requirement. Oh dear..

[Mr_White]

The name of this thread was "the Hammy rule" .

Lewis inspired a new rule when he did something that prompted the rest of the paddock to say "ok then , if they can do that , we can , too." .

" A perfectly legitimate qualifying place being ruled out as the car is a few mililitres short of the regulatory requirement."
This was what the others thought , clearly , was the case already .
Had they not , they would have tried it on , too .

This , if there ever was one , is the perfect example of the "spirit of the rules" idea , where a rule is assumed , because it makes sense , and people are insensed when it is broken .

Some will think this a clever gambit , and some will call it dirty pool .

Now , the rules are as everyone else thought they were in the first place , now that "The Hammy rule" is in effect .




It's nothing to be proud of .

[Mypepraipse]

I don't understand this. Isn't that why lewy boy turned off his engine? to save fuel? How is this any different?

[Nmoitmzr]

This , if there ever was one , is the perfect example of the "spirit of the rules" idea , where a rule is assumed , because it makes sense , and people are insensed when it is broken .

Some will think this a clever gambit , and some will call it dirty pool .

Now , the rules are as everyone else thought they were in the first place , now that "The Hammy rule" is in effect .

It's nothing to be proud of .

Well all the teams bend the spirit of the rules if they can, especially if it gives them that edge. This is a highly competitive sport with teams who spend millions to compete and win at the end of the day . Brawn, Mclaren, Ferrari, Renault etc have all bent the rules or had devices banned over recent years, and theres no point crying about it.

Its all abit desparate IMO, as is starting a thread to have a dig at a disliked driver or team.. Leave that to Luca..

[effenseshoora]

I don't understand this. Isn't that why lewy boy turned off his engine? to save fuel? How is this any different?

Exactly. The rule was already in place via the fuel-testing requirement. The issue is not how much fuel they can extract in the paddock post-qualifying, it's how that fuel was saved, via stopping on track. Isn't it the stopping on track that is the issue, not the fuel-test?

[Scukonah]

Well all the teams bend the spirit of the rules if they can, especially if it gives them that edge. This is a highly competitive sport with teams who spend millions to compete and win at the end of the day . Brawn, Mclaren, Ferrari, Renault etc have all bent the rules or had devices banned over recent years, and theres no point crying about it.

Its all abit desparate IMO, as is starting a thread to have a dig at a disliked driver or team.. Leave that to Luca..

+1
"The Boss" 's engineer and McLaren exploited a grey area of the ambiguous rules of F1.
(Something we all appreciate if it is executed by our team)
Short of being penalized it did not affect the outcome of the quali’ order or the final positions of the race.
F1 has clarified another rule. If I'm over it, I bet Luca is even over it.
But please don't quote me on that

[Mr_White]

Well all the teams bend the spirit of the rules if they can, especially if it gives them that edge. This is a highly competitive sport with teams who spend millions to compete and win at the end of the day . Brawn, Mclaren, Ferrari, Renault etc have all bent the rules or had devices banned over recent years, and theres no point crying about it.

Its all abit desparate IMO, as is starting a thread to have a dig at a disliked driver or team.. Leave that to Luca..

Gosh , I should have passed this by you before posting it .
Sorry for that .

I guess the fact that everyone might have done the same thing , prompting the deployment of the double decker bus to pick up all the drivers strewn around the track after quals , had there not been a rule to stop this action formulated before next race , would be a good thing .


It's too bad Lewis did this .
If anyone else had , you wouldn't have bother calling me "desparate" , which , by the way , isn't a word .

This is about Lewis , and "The Hammy rule" , not you or I .

Please stay on topic .


It seems , from your post , that you fully agree that it was against the spirit of the rules .

[SantaClaus]

The new rule requires a certain amount of fuel to remain in the tank after qualifying.

This could cause problems! A perfectly legitimate qualifying place being ruled out as the car is a few mililitres short of the regulatory requirement. Oh dear..

Yes, I don't understand why they wouldn't just rule that the car has to get back to the pit lane under its own power.

[TeLMgNva]

Yes, I don't understand why they wouldn't just rule that the car has to get back to the pit lane under its own power.

Because that is obvious, sensible and logical.

[Nmoitmzr]

It's too bad Lewis did this .
If anyone else had , you wouldn't have bother calling me "desparate" , which , by the way , isn't a word .

This is about Lewis , and "The Hammy rule" , not you or I .

Please stay on topic .
It seems , from your post , that you fully agree that it was against the spirit of the rules .

I do thinks its against the spirit of the rules and why would it make a difference if another driver did it? I also think that rules are there to be tested and be it Ferrari, Renault, Sauber etc, it makes no difference. Things like this happen and then its clarified so it doesn't get exploited in the future, and thats the way its always been. If you don't like my opinion and feel you have to resort to picking out spelling mistakes in my post, then you are very welcome to continue doing this. Its a discussion forum not an entry exam to study English at Cambridge.

The rule is not particularly about Lewis but has been highlighted through an action which he carried out. It won't be an option in future, and we'll be onto the next incident which is 'not in the spirit of the rules'.

Big deal.

[Scukonah]

The rule is not particularly about Lewis but has been highlighted through an action which he carried out. Plus The Boss doesn't even know how much fuel his favorite personal car holds

[pfcwlkxav]

Yes, I don't understand why they wouldn't just rule that the car has to get back to the pit lane under its own power.

As far as I can tell they have, the original rule stated that a certain amount had to be left in tank for testing, now its been amended so that the car also has to get back to the pits under its own steam to provide that sample. Another loop hole closed.

[reervieltnope]

The name of this thread was "the Hammy rule" .

Lewis inspired a new rule when he did something that prompted the rest of the paddock to say "ok then , if they can do that , we can , too." .

" A perfectly legitimate qualifying place being ruled out as the car is a few mililitres short of the regulatory requirement."
This was what the others thought , clearly , was the case already .
Had they not , they would have tried it on , too .

This , if there ever was one , is the perfect example of the "spirit of the rules" idea , where a rule is assumed , because it makes sense , and people are insensed when it is broken .

Some will think this a clever gambit , and some will call it dirty pool .

Now , the rules are as everyone else thought they were in the first place , now that "The Hammy rule" is in effect .




It's nothing to be proud of .

Golly gosh, hot dingerty and all things not quite tickety boo. Why now, baggy, would you suggest this was inspired by Lewis when it was, in fact, Lewis that stopped the car on his return to the pits at the request of the team?

You letting your standards slip?

And what's all this about double decker buses? A coach would be much more suitable.

[AdobebePhoto]

As far as I can tell they have, the original rule stated that a certain amount had to be left in tank for testing, now its been amended so that the car also has to get back to the pits under its own steam to provide that sample. Another loop hole closed.

How does this close any loop holes? If a driver crosses the line and the team estimates he will not make it back back around with enough left for sampling, he's still damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't stop/coast/creep. Still a choice between two "illegal" decisions. Or three, actually. He could (e.g. at Canada) turn left after turn 1 and go backwards into the pits, having enough fuel left, and not having stopped on track. I do know that going backwards on the track is even more illegal, but if the FIA insists on not specifying which decision carries the heaviest penalty, teams will keep trying stuff.

[effenseshoora]

If a driver crosses the line and the team estimates he will not make it back back around with enough left for sampling, he's still damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't stop/coast/creep.

It's going to be up to the teams to put in just enough fuel in the first place. I know that in Canada Lewis got a surprise extra lap by crossing the line a second before the checkered flag fell, but in such a case, the team will have to accept that they are underfueled for such an occurance and that the current lap will have to be an in-lap, regardless of the possibility of another flying lap.

[effenseshoora]

And what's all this about double decker buses? A coach would be much more suitable.

How about "in the case that all cars stop on course, the pole position will be determined by a foot-sprint by the driver from the car to the start/finish line"? I'd actually kind of enjoy that.

[nithhysfusy]

Well all the teams bend the spirit of the rules if they can, especially if it gives them that edge. This is a highly competitive sport with teams who spend millions to compete and win at the end of the day . Brawn, Mclaren, Ferrari, Renault etc have all bent the rules or had devices banned over recent years, and theres no point crying about it.

Its all abit desparate IMO, as is starting a thread to have a dig at a disliked driver or team.. Leave that to Luca..

yep

[masteryxisman]

It's going to be up to the teams to put in just enough fuel in the first place. I know that in Canada Lewis got a surprise extra lap by crossing the line a second before the checkered flag fell, but in such a case, the team will have to accept that they are underfueled for such an occurance and that the current lap will have to be an in-lap, regardless of the possibility of another flying lap.

well, you do not need to say stuff like that as it should be obvious to even 6 year old kids.......OTOH, this is FORMULA ONE and the FIA......