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Old 06-23-2010, 10:20 PM   #1
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Default 107% rule returns
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84690
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Old 06-24-2010, 12:23 AM   #2
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Absurd.

What is the point of it? All the new teams are under 107% no? So it doesn't matter anyway.

What happens if they don't qualify as Alonso this year? They can't start from the pit lane? This is the only thing the 107% effects, standing where we are now.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:00 AM   #3
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Probably to stop di Montezemelo's incessant complaining. Now there'll be a definitive fast enough/not fast enough time.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:18 AM   #4
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Absurd.
Fact.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:47 AM   #5
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Well Luca (who is surely behind this) will not be laughing if a Ferrari ends up going off in qualifying and being unable to race.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:55 AM   #6
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Well Luca (who is surely behind this) will not be laughing if a Ferrari ends up going off in qualifying and being unable to race.
That would make my day
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:47 AM   #7
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http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=48675

For those making absurd suppositions that a car unable to take part in qualy for technical or other reasons, like Alonso at Monaco this year, the rule makes provision for it based on pace shown in the practice sessions.

Its a good idea to bring it in now that single lap qualy is long gone and that we also have a few cars that are distinctly slower than the leaders. Remember that for the first few races this year the HRT's were outside of 107%.
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:47 AM   #8
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Well Luca (who is surely behind this) will not be laughing if a Ferrari ends up going off in qualifying and being unable to race.
Ahh yes. But they've thought of that, haven't they?
If such a situation arises, then the Stewards can still allow the car into the race based on whether or not the Free Practice times are competitive with the rest of the field.

So 107% is not necessarily 107%, is it?
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:55 AM   #9
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Absurd.

What is the point of it? All the new teams are under 107% no? So it doesn't matter anyway.
Generally the Lotus and Virgins are well within the 107% and Hispania hanging around the fringes but slowly getting within that more comfortably.

I've taken a quick look at it comparing the new teams' qualifying efforts against the pole (though it might be fairer to do it as compared to the fastest Q1 time as some tracks do pick up grip over qualifying). Hispania would have both cars DNQing in Bahrain, Australia (both understandable considering their problems) and Spain.
Lucas di Grassi would also have failed to qualify in Australia and Karun Chandhok would also have DNQ'd in Monaco.

In Malaysia neither Bruno Senna or Lucas di Grassi reached the 107% in qualifying but could have pointed the variable wet conditions and to their practice times as demonstrating the necessary speed.
Chandhok in Canada and Fernando Alonso in Monaco had car problems that effectively stopped them from qualifying so both would have to go through on being fast enough in practice.
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Old 06-24-2010, 03:00 AM   #10
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This year, I'm pretty sure the HRTs are the only cars that would have been disqualified due to the %107 rule, and only in the first couple of races. Everyone is within 5% now.

I don't think its a bad idea - 7% off the pace is very uncompetitive. I'm glad they specify it to be in Q1 - it would be very poor if teams that were in the 107% in Q1, were able to be knocked out of the race due to a fantastic pole lap in Q3
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Old 06-24-2010, 03:54 AM   #11
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Do we really think HRT would have got nearer the pace quicker by not racing?
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Old 06-24-2010, 04:14 AM   #12
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And with the testing ban, it just makes this ruling even more absurd, hope your'e happy LdM you slimey little weasel
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Old 06-24-2010, 05:36 AM   #13
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Absurd.
indeed

I guess if you have a problem in Q1 and can,t post a good time you are out of the race. If 2 cars collide in q1 then no race on sunday. How stupid. FIA once again showing how just out of touch and daft they are.

What if it rains a bit in q2 and the times are bit slower than in Q1, before it dries up in Q3?

I could go on, bu the point is obvious. just absurd
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:01 AM   #14
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Probably to stop di Montezemelo's incessant complaining. Now there'll be a definitive fast enough/not fast enough time.
what if alonso crashes and does not make qualifying again ?

they should give way more testing before the start of the season
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:37 AM   #15
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the way i see it
2010 FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX


Sebastian VettelRBR-Renault1:55.029
107% is just over 2 seconds
1:57

Virgin-Cosworth
Lotus-Cosworth
HRT-Cosworth

FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2010

Lewis HamiltonMcLaren-Mercedes1:15.889
just over 1 second
any thing over 1:17 is out
all the ones knocked out in Q1 would be out of the race

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/831/6746/
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:42 AM   #16
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the way i see it
2010 FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX


Sebastian VettelRBR-Renault1:55.029
107% is just over 2 seconds
1:57

Virgin-Cosworth
Lotus-Cosworth
HRT-Cosworth

FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2010

Lewis HamiltonMcLaren-Mercedes1:15.889
just over 1 second
any thing over 1:17 is out
all the ones knocked out in Q1 would be out of the race

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/831/6746/
107% is actually 2:03.081 at Bahrain and 1:21.201 at Montreal
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Old 06-24-2010, 12:29 PM   #17
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107% is actually 2:03.081 at Bahrain and 1:21.201 at Montreal
Afley them aussie... their teehas only teeches em about em skippies, kooahlas, and dem crocodies not thet crikey mathy jibba. Aye macca (or was that thundaa?)?
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Old 06-24-2010, 05:27 PM   #18
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what if alonso crashes and does not make qualifying again ?

they should give way more testing before the start of the season
Then the FIA will look at representative times from Friday/Saturday practice. If it can be demonstrated he is fast enough, and the reason for his poor time in Qually was exceptional circumstances, he will be allowed to race.

Common sense does prevail.

The 107% rule is there to chivvy up the slower teams - HRT would not have been that slow if they could not afford to have been - they would have either;

Pulled out of F1 altogether, or

Gotten faster quicker!
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Old 06-24-2010, 05:32 PM   #19
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Afley them aussie... their teehas only teeches em about em skippies, kooahlas, and dem crocodies not thet crikey mathy jibba. Aye macca (or was that thundaa?)?
One minute 55 seconds (60 secs plus 55 secs = 115 secs)

Add on 7% 0f 115 = 8.05 secs.

107% of 1.55 is, therefore 1.55 plus 8.05 secs = 2mins, 3 secs.

Simples.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:10 PM   #20
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Afley them aussie... their teehas only teeches em about em skippies, kooahlas, and dem crocodies not thet crikey mathy jibba. Aye macca (or was that thundaa?)?
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