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dhYTvlAv 06-14-2010 07:46 PM

Reprimand shmeprimand
 
I wasn't that long ago that Hamilton and Vettel got a reprimand for how they raced down the pitlane. In yesterday's Canadian GP Hamilton and Alonso did the same thing and were punished with - nothing. So what does a reprimand mean?

With short tyre change-only pitstops like this, surely it's only a matter of time before there's a bad accident in the pitlane. The stewards and /or rulemakers really need to look at this potential accident.

hictchewisa 06-14-2010 07:50 PM

yes, in all the other stuff, I forgot about this....agree 100%

Anneskobsen 06-14-2010 08:03 PM

Very inconsistent.....

Lafclaria 06-14-2010 08:20 PM

There was nothing wrong with Alonso and Hamilton. They're racers.

The problem is when you push your luck when Vettel tried to push Hamliton out of the way and into garage and mechanics

OccabsLam 06-14-2010 09:12 PM

If anything, its the teams fault for releasing him into Alonso's path, I'd imagine they would have been on the radio immediately telling him to yield to Fernando which it looked like he did.. probably the reason for Lewis/McLaren evading punishment?

I do agree tho.. there is no consistancy there.

Henldyhl 06-14-2010 09:22 PM

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If anything, its the teams fault for releasing him into Alonso's path, I'd imagine they would have been on the radio immediately telling him to yield to Fernando which it looked like he did.. probably the reason for Lewis/McLaren evading punishment?

I do agree tho.. there is no consistancy there.
I agree, it was a dangerous release of MacLaren, they deserved at least a reprimand. But as it was the mighty Lewis there was no reason.

OccabsLam 06-14-2010 09:45 PM

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I agree, it was a dangerous release of MacLaren, they deserved at least a reprimand. But as it was the mighty Lewis there was no reason.
You mean you think he gets special treatment? I dont think so.. look at MSC in Canada, no reprimand for naughty driving and yet he gets a punishment in Monaco for something totally undeserving/vague rules. I think it just shows once again how inconsistant the Stewards/FIA are.

ElenaEvgeevnaa 06-14-2010 10:53 PM

dangerous release by mclaren again....though like in china, it looked so close that I'm not convinced they could've done much about it (almost simultaneous again.) they need to make their pit stops faster though, too many slow ones this season.

after that Lewis didn't have the length of pitlane like in china to yield without going ridiculously slow, and this time the driver he was up against (alonso) wasn't pushing him or doing anything stupid that I could see, unfortunate incident but they both did the best they could and no one was hurt. having said this, if we put mclaren at the end of the pitlane it wouldn't be such a problem.

mymnduccete 06-14-2010 10:59 PM

Its not called a circus for nothing http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ies/tongue.gif

lymnCymment 06-14-2010 11:02 PM

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dangerous release by mclaren again....though like in china, it looked so close that I'm not convinced they could've done much about it (almost simultaneous again.) they need to make their pit stops faster though, too many slow ones this season.

after that Lewis didn't have the length of pitlane like in china to yield without going ridiculously slow, and this time the driver he was up against (alonso) wasn't pushing him or doing anything stupid that I could see, unfortunate incident but they both did the best they could and no one was hurt. having said this, if we put mclaren at the end of the pitlane it wouldn't be such a problem.
Good points.

The problem is that Lewis seems to get a bit of wheelspin on release which is costing him ground. Alonso was released fractionally ahead but not in the fast lane so McLaren were correct to release. Hamilton and Alonso both drove sensibly and no danger with Hamilton yielding the place to Fernando as he needed to.

See, if you don't have Vettel moving over like he has in a couple of GP, then there's no danger and no problem. I've always been a fan of the young German but more and more he's becoming the new Schumacher for all the wrong reasons.

nithhysfusy 06-14-2010 11:10 PM

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Good points.

The problem is that Lewis seems to get a bit of wheelspin on release which is costing him ground. Alonso was released fractionally ahead but not in the fast lane so McLaren were correct to release. Hamilton and Alonso both drove sensibly and no danger with Hamilton yielding the place to Fernando as he needed to.

See, if you don't have Vettel moving over like he has in a couple of GP, then there's no danger and no problem. I've always been a fan of the young German but more and more he's becoming the new Schumacher for all the wrong reasons.
well said

Arkadiyas 06-14-2010 11:55 PM

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See, if you don't have Vettel moving over like he has in a couple of GP, then there's no danger and no problem.
Perhaps Red Bull should check Vettel's steering. It does seem to pull to the right at times http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ies/tongue.gif

ElenaEvgeevnaa 06-15-2010 03:49 AM

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Good points.

The problem is that Lewis seems to get a bit of wheelspin on release which is costing him ground. Alonso was released fractionally ahead but not in the fast lane so McLaren were correct to release. Hamilton and Alonso both drove sensibly and no danger with Hamilton yielding the place to Fernando as he needed to.

See, if you don't have Vettel moving over like he has in a couple of GP, then there's no danger and no problem. I've always been a fan of the young German but more and more he's becoming the new Schumacher for all the wrong reasons.
yup totally agree. If a situation like that occurs again and both drivers act maturely like that in the situation, there is no problem. Vettel has done a couple of daft things this year, but actually, who hasnt in their career? hopefully like most, he will learn from these stupid and needless errors.

Mypepraipse 06-15-2010 04:42 AM

I have no problem with some inconsistency here. Why does it bother you that FIA quit handing out fake penalties?

aliceingoogs 06-15-2010 05:48 AM

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I have no problem with some inconsistency here. Why does it bother you that FIA quit handing out fake penalties?
When watching a race, it's good to have guidelines (i.e. rules) at least for calling judgement when an incident like this occurs. If there is no clarification of this rule, are all teams just supposed to release their cars ASAP, paying no heed to other cars in the pitlane? I think not! It's potential accidents we're talking about here.

Henldyhl 06-15-2010 04:40 PM

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When watching a race, it's good to have guidelines (i.e. rules) at least for calling judgement when an incident like this occurs. If there is no clarification of this rule, are all teams just supposed to release their cars ASAP, paying no heed to other cars in the pitlane? I think not! It's potential accidents we're talking about here.
Godd post.

And, first take pole with so little fuel that he have to stop the car right there, then one moore of thoose pitlane squizze and brushes who is Lewis signum. Not a fine, reprimand or penalty for Lewis.

reervieltnope 06-15-2010 04:46 PM

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this time the driver he was up against (alonso) wasn't pushing him or doing anything stupid
Therein lies the answer.

Mypepraipse 06-15-2010 05:27 PM

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When watching a race, it's good to have guidelines (i.e. rules) at least for calling judgement when an incident like this occurs. If there is no clarification of this rule, are all teams just supposed to release their cars ASAP, paying no heed to other cars in the pitlane? I think not! It's potential accidents we're talking about here.
My point was they should not pretend their doing something about it. Either give them real penalties or let them be.

hictchewisa 06-15-2010 06:28 PM

need to require the car enterring the pitlane to yield right of way to car already in pitlane who is in front or coming along side. To yield, the car must immediately permit the other car to go in front and move behind him

This stuff is just asking for an accident into a slew of pitworkers, with tragic results

Penalty should be automatic stop and go.

MS passes FA on a race track, within the rules PENALTY, when there was no safetfy concern or even broken rule.


and hamilton once again tries to race with someone down pitlane.....stupid is as stupid does; in this case(s), the only thing dumber is the FIA

dhYTvlAv 06-15-2010 06:29 PM

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My point was they should not pretend their doing something about it. Either give them real penalties or let them be.
Exactly. A reprimand means nothing, so they should give some kind of warning which has some meaning and will lead to an automatic consequence if the the action is repeated.

The other point is that I think they are risking too much by allowing this in the pitlane. Basically, the drivers can get away with doing things in the pitlane that they wouldn't be able to do under a yellow flag.

In this particular case, I don't think McLaren could have avoided the situation as the reaction time is so short, and both drivers were thankfully challenging in a fair and safe way, but imagine the same thing with any combination of Schumacher, Vettel and Kobayashi.


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