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**xanonlinexan** · 04-05-2010, 03:40 AM

i really can't see them seeing out the season at this rate. car is getting worse and they have no sponsors = no future

**soonahonsefalh** · 04-05-2010, 04:58 AM

Really looking dark for Sauber.

They firstly need some realiability but if they can get that, I think they should score a few points.
I hope they can find a bit more pace and mix it with the Toro Rosso's and Williams.

**Aswdwdfg** · 04-05-2010, 06:46 AM

Peter Saubers face as he left the pit wall said it all. He returned to save the team and the jobs that go hand in hand, but without a point to their name, any sponsorship or a development budget its going to be a hard slog.

**soonahonsefalh** · 04-05-2010, 06:53 AM

I think if they loose the BMW paint scheme, and repaint in the traditional Sauber colours then Sauber will gain at least a second a lap surely.

**bribiaLaubysdggf** · 04-05-2010, 12:45 PM

ugly car - dumb owner - terrible drivers === fill in the blank

**PRengin** · 04-05-2010, 05:39 PM

Why would Peter Sauber bother?
Why would he bother fielding a car with no sponsorship, no time for development and no money?
He would have pocketed some cash when BMW bought in a few years ago. Why did they make him keep the BMW part?

I cannot see BMW would be keen to be associated with the poor showing nor the "Ferrari" being part of the name.

Sauber's golden years were with the Group C sportscars

**Byxtysaaqwuz** · 04-05-2010, 05:58 PM

At this point it´s some faults in the team.

Lack of money.
Kaba is overdriving the car, trying a little to hard.
The Ferrari engine. Thirsty and unreliable.

But.

They will soon be back scoring some points.

**SerycegeBunny** · 04-06-2010, 08:09 AM

Why would he bother fielding a car with no sponsorship, no time for development and no money?
He would have pocketed some cash when BMW bought in a few years ago. Why did they make him keep the BMW part?

I cannot see BMW would be keen to be associated with the poor showing nor the "Ferrari" being part of the name.

I believe BMW are in fact paying Sauber running costs for this year much as Honda did for Brawn last year, if only so that BMW would not be liable for the costs of winding the team down. The problem is what happens next year? Can Sauber get sponsors in time?

The fact that they are already first after McLaren in developing an F-duct shows that they are doing some development back home but ultimately they are in trouble.

I found it quite interesting that both drivers seemed to have engine problems yet were reported to have hydraulic failures after the race. Did they have leaking pipes thanks to the pistons that had just escaped from the engine block?

**tipoketpu** · 04-06-2010, 09:18 AM

I read somewhere that Peter Sauber is going to run the team only so long until it is in a position to be sold to someone or something that will run it for a long time.

I just forget where I read that... maybe Autosport?

**hrthwhr** · 04-06-2010, 01:52 PM

Does this not mirror what happened last year for them?
Fast in practices and a snail at the races?
I don't understand why anyone is surprised...

I read somewhere that Peter Sauber is going to run the team only so long until it is in a position to be sold to someone or something that will run it for a long time.

I just forget where I read that... maybe Autosport?

Yes, I also read that somewhere.

**Dyerryjex** · 04-06-2010, 03:20 PM

They are probably a bit faster than last year's BMW to be honest, with a weaker engine this year, so I don't know what's wrong with what Peter is doing.

**DoctorGordanBens** · 04-06-2010, 08:47 PM

Slow and unreliable car with little money for the future - I suspect they are going to be the first team to possibly get caught by the new teams.

It has been mentioned here that BMW might be funding Sauber's season in 2010. Has this been confirmed anywhere? Because I haven't noticed so far, while last year Honda's role was widely confirmed. And since I can't see any sponsors on the car, I keep wondering, what kind of funds does Sauber have and for how long can he keep going with them.

**Soadiassy** · 04-06-2010, 09:09 PM

Even if BMW are funding them on the quiet that's still no excuse for the name. It's not like "Honda-Mercedes" won the title last year...

**Seerseraxlils** · 04-12-2010, 06:13 PM

http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...D=363652&FS=F1

I think this just illustrates Sauber's argument at the time NOT to sign Nick Heidfeld - that he "knew the team" and a change was wanted - was not a positive decision.

Heidfeld is not only a solid driver but he has experience with the Sauber team and years of RACING experience.

Aamzing upon reflection really.

04-05-2010, 03:40 AM	#21
xanonlinexan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 623 Senior Member	i really can't see them seeing out the season at this rate. car is getting worse and they have no sponsors = no future Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-05-2010, 04:58 AM	#22
soonahonsefalh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 603 Senior Member	Really looking dark for Sauber. They firstly need some realiability but if they can get that, I think they should score a few points. I hope they can find a bit more pace and mix it with the Toro Rosso's and Williams. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-05-2010, 06:46 AM	#23
Aswdwdfg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 520 Senior Member	Peter Saubers face as he left the pit wall said it all. He returned to save the team and the jobs that go hand in hand, but without a point to their name, any sponsorship or a development budget its going to be a hard slog. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-05-2010, 06:53 AM	#24
soonahonsefalh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 603 Senior Member	I think if they loose the BMW paint scheme, and repaint in the traditional Sauber colours then Sauber will gain at least a second a lap surely. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-05-2010, 12:45 PM	#25
bribiaLaubysdggf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 536 Senior Member	ugly car - dumb owner - terrible drivers === fill in the blank Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-05-2010, 05:39 PM	#26
PRengin Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	Why would Peter Sauber bother? Why would he bother fielding a car with no sponsorship, no time for development and no money? He would have pocketed some cash when BMW bought in a few years ago. Why did they make him keep the BMW part? I cannot see BMW would be keen to be associated with the poor showing nor the "Ferrari" being part of the name. Sauber's golden years were with the Group C sportscars Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-05-2010, 05:58 PM	#27
Byxtysaaqwuz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	At this point it´s some faults in the team. Lack of money. Kaba is overdriving the car, trying a little to hard. The Ferrari engine. Thirsty and unreliable. But. They will soon be back scoring some points. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-06-2010, 08:09 AM	#28
SerycegeBunny Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 590 Senior Member	Why would he bother fielding a car with no sponsorship, no time for development and no money? He would have pocketed some cash when BMW bought in a few years ago. Why did they make him keep the BMW part? I cannot see BMW would be keen to be associated with the poor showing nor the "Ferrari" being part of the name. I believe BMW are in fact paying Sauber running costs for this year much as Honda did for Brawn last year, if only so that BMW would not be liable for the costs of winding the team down. The problem is what happens next year? Can Sauber get sponsors in time? The fact that they are already first after McLaren in developing an F-duct shows that they are doing some development back home but ultimately they are in trouble. I found it quite interesting that both drivers seemed to have engine problems yet were reported to have hydraulic failures after the race. Did they have leaking pipes thanks to the pistons that had just escaped from the engine block? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-06-2010, 09:18 AM	#29
tipoketpu Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	I read somewhere that Peter Sauber is going to run the team only so long until it is in a position to be sold to someone or something that will run it for a long time. I just forget where I read that... maybe Autosport? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-06-2010, 01:52 PM	#30
hrthwhr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 368 Senior Member	Does this not mirror what happened last year for them? Fast in practices and a snail at the races? I don't understand why anyone is surprised... I read somewhere that Peter Sauber is going to run the team only so long until it is in a position to be sold to someone or something that will run it for a long time. I just forget where I read that... maybe Autosport? Yes, I also read that somewhere. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-06-2010, 03:20 PM	#31
Dyerryjex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 727 Senior Member	They are probably a bit faster than last year's BMW to be honest, with a weaker engine this year, so I don't know what's wrong with what Peter is doing. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-06-2010, 08:47 PM	#32
DoctorGordanBens Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 546 Senior Member	Slow and unreliable car with little money for the future - I suspect they are going to be the first team to possibly get caught by the new teams. It has been mentioned here that BMW might be funding Sauber's season in 2010. Has this been confirmed anywhere? Because I haven't noticed so far, while last year Honda's role was widely confirmed. And since I can't see any sponsors on the car, I keep wondering, what kind of funds does Sauber have and for how long can he keep going with them. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-06-2010, 09:09 PM	#33
Soadiassy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	Even if BMW are funding them on the quiet that's still no excuse for the name. It's not like "Honda-Mercedes" won the title last year... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-12-2010, 06:13 PM	#34
Seerseraxlils Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 562 Senior Member	http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...D=363652&FS=F1 I think this just illustrates Sauber's argument at the time NOT to sign Nick Heidfeld - that he "knew the team" and a change was wanted - was not a positive decision. Heidfeld is not only a solid driver but he has experience with the Sauber team and years of RACING experience. Aamzing upon reflection really. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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