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Old 03-27-2010, 05:15 AM   #21
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as i am from newjersey id absolutely support this but sadly it wont happen only pipe dream is thunderbolt raceway in south jersey but no way that place is up to it yet
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Old 03-27-2010, 07:21 AM   #22
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It would make more sense to dump $50 million into Watkins Glen, build some garages and a hotel with a few bidets for the teams and race F1 cars on a real damn race track. I'm so sick of the crap they are racing on these days.

FWIW, I thought The CCWS Las Vegas street course was a really exciting layout and a couple changes from a great course.
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Old 03-27-2010, 10:38 AM   #23
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NYC track: will never happen.

The only place in NYC that could be made into a half-decent track is Central Park, and you'd have to cut down half the trees in the park to make it happen.

Recently I've spent some time Google Mapping my way around San Diego in the hopes of locating a possible street circuit. Everything that wasn't a 90-degree turn had a railroad crossing.
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Old 03-27-2010, 11:16 AM   #24
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Bernie has been saying it is not to be in Manhattan, but over the river in New Jersey with Manhattan as the backdrop. Think Meadowlands.

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Old 03-27-2010, 12:17 PM   #25
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San francisco; f1 tracks really need to get some jumps. Do scalextric still make loops?
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Old 03-27-2010, 12:24 PM   #26
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10.6 km. Easy enough
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Old 03-27-2010, 03:57 PM   #27
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http://www.racer.com/ecclestone-targ...rticle/166502/

Hmmm. Bernie must be about ready to restart negotiations with Indianapolis. I can see no other reason why this "rumor" (aka planted story by Bernie) would resurface. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of a race in NYC. That is a total non-starter. The entire notion is laughable.

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I'm sure you're right, but if they somehow managed to stage a race, it could be a success since NYC is such an international place. That's why Bernie is probably targeting it.
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Old 03-28-2010, 10:47 AM   #28
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I see absolutely no chance of this happening, and I suspect BE does not either. Each passing year without a race, the chances for a US GP diminish. F1 is not even readily available to TV viewers. I cannot see any promotor repeating the Tony George example of pouring millions into a facility, only to have Bernie pull the rug away 5 years later. This trick has been played once too often. Americans have little appetite for public expenditure on sports facilities, particularly in todays climate. This is in contrast to the Canadian GP which receives funding from 3 levels of government.
IMO, a US GP either happens at Indy or not at all. I have no idea if the current IMS owners even desire a revived F1 race.
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Old 03-28-2010, 12:10 PM   #29
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10.6 km. Easy enough
Sure...the old Glen? lol...parts of that are still gravel....lol...it was dangerous in 1950!!!

AS for Bernie in the Meadowlands, the CART boys were there for a few years...I think they were drawing enough friends and family to pay for the marshal's beer bash and that was about it....

NYC could CARE LESS about racing. When will people wake up to this reality?

Bernie is trying to play chicken with Mari Hulman obviously, and THAT is not wise. Mari I am sure is smart enough to see this all for what it is, and when Bernie comes hat in hand to try to push the USGP down someone's throat, he will find out what he has always found out. Americans are not buying his BS or his little tinpot racing series that the world loves but Americans just don't quite get.

Lets face the reality....in the USA NASCAR is king and has been for a while. Watch 10 NASCAR races and watch 10 GP's and there is more passing in the first 20 laps of the first NASCAR race than there can be in 10 races of f1. IT isn't that this is better or worse, but Americans like action. Those that is, that love racing. None of those seem to live in New York. NONE.
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Old 03-28-2010, 12:30 PM   #30
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One of the nice things about street races are that locals will show up for the party; you don't need these "fans" as you call them. If you can find the right streets, the right city, and the right pitch; maybe Bernie will take your phone calls.
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Old 03-28-2010, 04:16 PM   #31
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Sure...the old Glen? lol...parts of that are still gravel....lol...it was dangerous in 1950!!!

AS for Bernie in the Meadowlands, the CART boys were there for a few years...I think they were drawing enough friends and family to pay for the marshal's beer bash and that was about it....

NYC could CARE LESS about racing. When will people wake up to this reality?

Bernie is trying to play chicken with Mari Hulman obviously, and THAT is not wise. Mari I am sure is smart enough to see this all for what it is, and when Bernie comes hat in hand to try to push the USGP down someone's throat, he will find out what he has always found out. Americans are not buying his BS or his little tinpot racing series that the world loves but Americans just don't quite get.

Lets face the reality....in the USA NASCAR is king and has been for a while. Watch 10 NASCAR races and watch 10 GP's and there is more passing in the first 20 laps of the first NASCAR race than there can be in 10 races of f1. IT isn't that this is better or worse, but Americans like action. Those that is, that love racing. None of those seem to live in New York. NONE.
A lot of New Yorkers aren't Americans so they could like F1, right? The rest of the world sure does.
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Old 03-29-2010, 05:24 AM   #32
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A lot of New Yorkers aren't Americans so they could like F1, right? The rest of the world sure does.
Lots of New Yorkers are not Americans? Really? Trust me, just NOT being American wouldn't be enough to qualify you automatically as a f1 fan. If you hold your theory as gospel, then Football (soccer to the Americans) would rule in New York. It doesn't, Yankee's baseball and Giants football does. Trust me, most of the people in the tristate area around New York City are American and NOT really into any racing, F1, Indycar or NASCAR.

The chances of a street race in New York City are slim and none and slim left town.

To show you the anti racing animus in that town, on Staten Island, there is basically a lot of industrial wasteland that International Speedway Corp wanted to build an oval on for NASCAR. The citizens prefer a dump basically because they came out in force more or less to stop the track. This is land no one can live on really....and it is Staten Island, not even part of the heavily built up areas of Manhatten or Brooklyn.

NYC could care less about racing....
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:16 AM   #33
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NYC could CARE LESS about racing. When will people wake up to this reality?
NYC could care less about racing....
"Couldn't" you mean?

Regardless, I don't expect Bernie's BS to work this time around. F1 has always struggled in America and today, it is not any better. Possibly worse actually given the USF1 disaster and the Indianapolis fiasco a few years back.
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:29 AM   #34
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"Couldn't" you mean?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...%20care%20less
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Old 03-29-2010, 03:25 PM   #35
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"Couldn't" you mean?

Regardless, I don't expect Bernie's BS to work this time around. F1 has always struggled in America and today, it is not any better. Possibly worse actually given the USF1 disaster and the Indianapolis fiasco a few years back.
ooops...lol..you know what I meant however...
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Old 03-30-2010, 05:54 AM   #36
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ooops...lol..you know what I meant however...
That's true, just letting you know that some people wouldn't be polite about it
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Old 03-30-2010, 06:38 AM   #37
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How about running a race on Floyd Bennet field on Long Island? Nice deserted airport for some wide open action...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...37122&t=h&z=15

I know it won't really happen...
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Old 04-02-2010, 01:14 PM   #38
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AS for Bernie in the Meadowlands, the CART boys were there for a few years...I think they were drawing enough friends and family to pay for the marshal's beer bash and that was about it....

NYC could CARE LESS about racing. When will people wake up to this reality?
Video evidience found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH44tMpWOwo

The goal shouldn't be one of getting NYC (or Americans in general) to show up at a race. The goal should be to get Europeans to show up in America for a race.
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Old 04-02-2010, 06:46 PM   #39
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it will be either Indy or nothing. I can not see any government, national, state or local, being willing to do a NY scenario or anything like that.

and in that absence of government money, it leaves Nascar and Indy, so????

Only Indy has the track, facilities and money to bring Bernie to the USA...I would love it at the Seca, but that is just sweet dreams by me...

as to NASCAR< I would love to see NASCAR involved as it would rock the world of Ioan, no doubt..
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Old 04-02-2010, 06:52 PM   #40
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Lots of New Yorkers are not Americans? Really? Trust me, just NOT being American wouldn't be enough to qualify you automatically as a f1 fan. If you hold your theory as gospel, then Football (soccer to the Americans) would rule in New York. It doesn't, Yankee's baseball and Giants football does. Trust me, most of the people in the tristate area around New York City are American and NOT really into any racing, F1, Indycar or NASCAR.

The chances of a street race in New York City are slim and none and slim left town.

To show you the anti racing animus in that town, on Staten Island, there is basically a lot of industrial wasteland that International Speedway Corp wanted to build an oval on for NASCAR. The citizens prefer a dump basically because they came out in force more or less to stop the track. This is land no one can live on really....and it is Staten Island, not even part of the heavily built up areas of Manhatten or Brooklyn.

NYC could care less about racing....
"Today, 36.7% of the city's population is foreign born"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City#Demographics

Of course that doesn't mean that they're automatically F1 fans but generally people who are not North Americans are more aware of F1, since it's a huge sport on a global scale.
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