Are you allowed to overtake off track now?
 

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Only if you have special engine mappings.

RedBull gives you wings! POW!

Sebastian, Jenson is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood this message?

I'm expecting Seb to get a penalty - at least, to make sure that he'll lose 2nd place, although a drive through looks rather more appropriate.

bull**** vettel: "I didn't know where you were so I went outside" http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...s/laughing.gif

32 seconds in. If it's around the outside the stewards don't care.

I think he will get a Penalty.

This was the incident I thought of. In 2003. Michael passing Jarno exactly the same. No penalty, but then Mike got a puncture so we will never no.

F1 2003 German gp highlights Itv commentary - YouTube

Look at 2:45 on

Got to be 25 seconds at least otherwise the stewards are saying "cheat if you want, there's no penalty"

they might not have in 2007, but they've been clarifying this stuff a lot lately. Vettels excuse stunk, if he thought that Button was there then he had to yield, not drive off the track around him - he was that much quicker he would have got him somewhere in the next lap, instead he could find himself 5th or 6th.

that said he'll probably get away with it, just as with the engine maps

Things might be different here, since there have already been warnings issued this weekend about departing the circuit on the outside.

The stewards abit random. They often invent a new penalty just to drop said driver one place. If Kimi had been 3 seconds behind, they would invent a 2.5 second penalty.

I can see Vettel getting away with this, just like chopping across Jenson at Suzuka 2011. Jenson was pretty good about it then I thought, but his patience might be tried now.

i think he gets a penalty

also he needs to stop bitchin about Hamilton taking back his lap, he was clearly faster than him and if he was smart (or fast enough) he would have tailed him and used it to sling shot past Alonso

Vettel is turning out to be a big cry baby

"I went to overtke but there might have been a car there so it was easier to overtake off track"

Bullshot!!

I hope that he will keep second personally, although the fair thing would be to give him a small penalty which will allow Jenson to gets 2nd.

At Hockenheim a lot of overtaking has been done off the track after the hairpin, because it is so tight there that cars often get pushed wide.

I believe it's a rather different situation. I'd need to rewatch it, but I'd say that both drivers had been pushing each other for some time, and in the end, Kubica just gave Felipe no room whatsoever - he even stepped on the edge of the kerbs. That wasn't the case today - Sebastian went for the outside of the track even before Button went for the kerb.

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I don't think thats fair, the penalties are prescribed, but they have the choice of several - equivalent to a drive through, stop and go or an exclusion, or a grid penalty at the next event (there might be others). The obvious would be a drive through, equivalent being about 25 secs added to finish time. They should have the option of simply reversing the positions, seeing as they can "suggest" that they do that in the course of a race to avoid a harsher penalty, they should be able to d it at the end also

This was pretty close between them .
We need to see a replay , to see if Vettel had edged ahead before going fully off-track .

If not , then the pass was certainly made off-track , and there should be sanction .

If there is sanction , because it was on the last lap , and too close to call immediately , resulting in no blue flags calling for a relinquishing of the position , he , more than likely , will lose only one position .
At least , that seems logical to me .

The replay showed Button still had the lead (just) as Vettel went for the run off. he chose not to yield insted, to drive fully off track to pass