[Cucoulkrory]

so what should be done to improve the show?

Martin Whitemarsh suggested that he and 2 other teams recommended mandatory pit stops. i think it is a terrible idea.

I think the FIA should get rid of the refueling ban, introduce a standardized fuel rig and get rid of the tyre rules for Q3. Can be introduced by Malaysia. And I don;t want to hear about cost cutting etc. The FIA/teams already manage the fuel payloads and would only have to add the fuel rigs. Teams are already well versed in refueling.

KERS might be another option, a more powerful KERS system that allows for more boost (remember it is restricted and can be altered) might see more overtaking.

[Kubasarika]

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Martin Whitemarsh suggested that he and 2 other teams recommended mandatory pit stops. i think it is a terrible idea.

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I agree that really would be a bad idea.

Although I am not sure it would improve the racing, I would like to see a return to pre 2003 Qualifying were its just the fastest man wins and no issue over judging which tyre/fuel will be best for race.

As for the race itself as I posted on another thread, I think if there is no refueling then tyres must have a much wider range so drivers can push hard or preserve through the races. On non stops, 1, 2 or even 3 stops.

[legal-advicer]

It is not serious to return refueling in the next round and it will be also very unfair on teams which developed their cars for great pace with heavy machines. Here you have good suggestion by James Allen:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...-is-an-answer/

[Talicoabilk]

I don't see how pitstops make the racing better. Sure places were won and lost but they were done so by the pit crews as much as the drivers. Surely that's not what we want to see.

The real problem is the cars and the FIA's continued inability to get the tech regs right. They should have banned the double diffusers when they had the chance but, as usual, dropped the ball.

By calling for more pitstops, refuelling or different tyres all you are doing is skirting around the issue and not addressing the real problem.

[Mymnnarry]

Yeah i'd agree with you in general, the one way to screw F1 even more is to regulate yet more behavior that the teams must follow. Clearly the top ten tyre rule is just rollocks so regulating the number of pitstops just removes yet another element of chance! FFS, removing fuel stops was supposed to encourage on track passing, and whilst that hasn't worked out yet, telling the drivers they must pit twice just makes them wait for the next stop to pass someone in front because as was shown today whoever pits first, wins.

I'd like to see KERS back - it didn't get a fair shot.

[Grainiary]

Although I am not sure it would improve the racing, I would like to see a return to pre 2003 Qualifying were its just the fastest man wins and no issue over judging which tyre/fuel will be best for race.

I agree. In qualifying should win the fastest driver. I have never liked idea that drivers from Q1 can't tank or change tyres after qualifying. The divide into Q1, Q2, Q3 is OK, although old 1 hour system was also good.

I also didn't like the rule that drivers had to use two types of tyres in race.

[Dabdklwu]

To me, there needs to be 3 things changed or reviewed in Formula 1:

-banning double diffusers already in process for next year.) I'd mandate that a diffuser must be very simple.

-Review on circuits. with the uber safe circuits and cars nowadays (safe cars being good but circuits are oversafe-run off area is fine, but new tracks have far too many slow corners) I think changes to many Tilkedromes need to be made, with faster corners making for more flowing tracks. im sure the drivers would like this as well.

-review of car shapes, an investigation into how different shapes of cars could follow other cars more easily

and as a side note, how about going to countries where the fans actually are? Argentina, France, Mexico, Scandinavia. One race is fine for the middle east but i cant see the point of 2. but anyway, thats another topic...

[Mymnnarry]

It is not serious to return refueling in the next round and it will be also very unfair on teams which developed their cars for great pace with heavy machines. Here you have good suggestion by James Allen:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...-is-an-answer/

That's exactly the wrong way to go IMO. The tyres are already pretty close, hell if you can go 20 odd laps on what are supposed to be the super soft then they are not soft enough! Super soft should only be able to manage a GP distance over 3 stops, whereas the hard would be strong enough for an entire race distance but with enough performance difference between the two to make it worth a punt on stopping more often.

[Kubasarika]

It seems as though the way these F1 tyres have been designed this year (given the change in rules) it is only going to need 1 stop at every race on the whole.
It really should be a lot more difficult to use tyres to get through the race distance.

[engideNedmupe]

Personally, I think they could improve this by making for example, the softer tire only really suitable for 10 laps. So once you've qualified on them, you've really only got 5-7 race laps before they drop off significantly.

The harder tire then should only be good enough for 20ish laps. This means either making 2 pitstops, trying to conserve tires more (and hence being a bit slower) or just trying to hang on at the end of the race with tires that are struggling. Think this might lead to closer finishes and teams trying more 'different' strategies.

[Mymnnarry]

I'd also like to see the end of parc ferme conditions after quali. How do we expect any shake up in order when the car on pole is faster than the guy in 2nd on Saturday - its gonna be the same on Sunday if they're not allowed to touch the cars.

Back in the day Schumacher was a master at turning an average qualifying car into a mega race car by tweaking and fine tuning the setup over night.

[Kubasarika]

I'd also like to see the end of parc ferme conditions after quali. How do we expect any shake up in order when the car on pole is faster than the guy in 2nd on Saturday - its gonna be the same on Sunday if they're not allowed to touch the cars.

Back in the day Schumacher was a master at turning an average qualifying car into a mega race car by tweaking and fine tuning the setup over night.

Yep

I suppose any Qualifying problems could be dialled out come race day, while now any car with problems in Quali have to drive with them potentially all race.

[Cucoulkrory]

TBH none pf the changes the fIA have instituted over the past 2 years have improved the racing.

[quorceopporce]

so what should be done to improve the show?

I think the FIA should get rid of the refueling ban, introduce a standardized fuel rig and get rid of the tyre rules for Q3. Can be introduced by Malaysia. And I don;t want to hear about cost cutting etc. The FIA/teams already manage the fuel payloads and would only have to add the fuel rigs. Teams are already well versed in refueling.

KERS might be another option, a more powerful KERS system that allows for more boost (remember it is restricted and can be altered) might see more overtaking.

Forget it!! The FIA will never fall for these innovative ideas.

[quorceopporce]

I don't see how pitstops make the racing better. Sure places were won and lost but they were done so by the pit crews as much as the drivers. Surely that's not what we want to see.

The real problem is the cars and the FIA's continued inability to get the tech regs right. They should have banned the double diffusers when they had the chance but, as usual, dropped the ball.

By calling for more pitstops, refuelling or different tyres all you are doing is skirting around the issue and not addressing the real problem.

OK! how about banning all the aero, have absolutely flat wings for all cars, banning all on board computers? Does that make any sense?

[55TRATTERENRY]

OK! how about banning all the aero, have absolutely flat wings for all cars, banning all on board computers? Does that make any sense?

I'd be all on for that.

I think it would be kinda neat to see cars skating about because they weren't stuck to the bloody ground, and weren't upset simply by following the cars in front.

Formula One used to not have any wings; Formula Ford doesn't currently, and I've seen some corkers of races in Formula Fords.

[Cucoulkrory]

OK! how about banning all the aero, have absolutely flat wings for all cars, banning all on board computers? Does that make any sense?

then it won't really be F1 would it?

That's like saying that soccer needs to get rid of the synthetic ball and go back to a goats' hide, players need to be barefoot and the goal post's should be replaced with chalk outlines on the ground.

What is it with this incessant fascination to harken back to an era when cars were soap boxes. I am not interested in watching a series with junk kit kart cars with zero innovation as the pinnacle of motorsports.

I'm just tired of every discussion including the "nostalgic" option as if in the year 2010 we should be seeing cars that could have been built 60 years ago.

[Storwaytozy]

I think the FIA should get rid of the refueling ban, .

100% agree.

[Nurfzerne]

Look to the US: Keep the cars simple !

My 5 cent:
- Standard Front & Rear wings
- Standard diffuse
Construct the cars around these standard parts.

The issues are on the aero side ! Fix it !

[irrelaAnnekly]

Look to the US: Keep the cars simple !

My 5 cent:
- Standard Front & Rear wings
- Standard diffuse
Construct the cars around these standard parts.

The issues are on the aero side ! Fix it !

Watching those spec IRL cars is so exciting, right?