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Old 02-23-2010, 08:46 PM   #21
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What is wrong with LdM,does he not welcome these new teams with open arms,as everyone has to start somewhere.Yes they may struggle at first,but they have only limited experience,at the start of the season.But its a learning thing and probably by the middle of the season they will be middle field runners .Not all the footballers who play in the UK football leagues'are all top grade players,but are we saying they should not be allowed to play,or not appear on TV.
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:57 PM   #22
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This is the legacy of the holy war waged by the former FIA president. Fatwa on Max Mosely!

Damn the infidels!

ROFLMAO!!!!!
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:18 PM   #23
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Fatwa on Max Mosely!
Why drag Juan Pablo Montoya into this?




Oh sorry, thought you said "fatwad"....
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:01 PM   #24
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Right so everyone complains when all the drivers and teams are boring and make PC statements all the time, and there's a cry for a return to the "outspoken" days of the 60s and 70s, but then look at the response here when someone does! It seems people only want outspoken opinions on things that they agree with!
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:07 PM   #25
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Right so everyone complains when all the drivers and teams are boring and make PC statements all the time, and there's a cry for a return to the "outspoken" days of the 60s and 70s, but then look at the response here when someone does! It seems people only want outspoken opinions on things that they agree with!
There are ways of doing it, though. It's why, for instance, I find Eddie Irvine being outspoken really tiresome and boorish, and John Watson being outspoken interesting and worthwhile.
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:19 PM   #26
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Right so everyone complains when all the drivers and teams are boring and make PC statements all the time, and there's a cry for a return to the "outspoken" days of the 60s and 70s, but then look at the response here when someone does! It seems people only want outspoken opinions on things that they agree with!
Who says nobody here agree's with Luca entirely? Its the way in which its worded and put into the public domain through an official source. I would be equally dissappointed if Mclaren were to spout personal opinions through their website, its just not professional IMO. This is the type of article I would expect to read from a journalist on his blog rather than the head of Ferrari.

I would expect most of the tifosi are in the face palm position in the moments after reading this, but what done is done. Its a political swipe at the FIA and I for one would like to see an F1 season dominated by the events ontrack rather than political squabbles and team members trying to get into the headlines..
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:28 PM   #27
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Who says nobody here agree's with Luca entirely? Its the way in which its worded and put into the public domain through an official source. I would be equally dissappointed if Mclaren were to spout personal opinions through their website, its just not professional IMO. This is the type of article I would expect to read from a journalist on his blog rather than the head of Ferrari.

I would expect most of the tifosi are in the face palm position in the moments after reading this, but what done is done. Its a political swipe at the FIA and I for one would like to see an F1 season dominated by the events ontrack rather than political squabbles and team members trying to get into the headlines..
Indeed. I think many agree with the sentiment, just disagree with the kindergarten style press release.

The only issue I have with the sentiment is that about Lotus & Virgin. I think they have given a very good account of themselves thus far.
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:52 PM   #28
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The FIA screwed the new teams really, deciding on a budget cap and then going back on that plan. Fortunately it looks like three teams might make it although they've required substantial investment.

It's quite petty from Ferrari, they're just trying to further their agenda for three car teams and unlimited testing, which is something only they and possibly McLaren can reasonably afford to do. I can't see anyone else, even Mercedes/Red Bull, chucking a ton of money away to get back to the way F1 used to be, not in the current financial climate anyway. And pretty much everyone else has a private backer who isn't going to pour billions into a project anymore, not after the failures of Toyota and (arguably) Honda.

Besides, the Ferrari is looking like one of the best cars this year so I don't know why they (and also Alonso) are already stirring things up.
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:09 PM   #29
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The FIA screwed the new teams really, deciding on a budget cap and then going back on that plan. Fortunately it looks like three teams might make it although they've required substantial investment.

It's quite petty from Ferrari, they're just trying to further their agenda for three car teams and unlimited testing, which is something only they and possibly McLaren can reasonably afford to do. I can't see anyone else, even Mercedes/Red Bull, chucking a ton of money away to get back to the way F1 used to be, not in the current financial climate anyway. And pretty much everyone else has a private backer who isn't going to pour billions into a project anymore, not after the failures of Toyota and (arguably) Honda.

Besides, the Ferrari is looking like one of the best cars this year so I don't know why they (and also Alonso) are already stirring things up.
Now that MS has fled the nest, do Ferrari have a requirement for a third car?
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:29 AM   #30
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That was awesome!

Ferrari said what I was thinking, but in a crass manner. Excellent!
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:35 AM   #31
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Now that MS has fled the nest, do Ferrari have a requirement for a third car?
They were still banging on about it last week.

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/...y_Ferrari.aspx

The original article is just funny. If it was on a blog, fine, but Ferrari are hardly doing themselves any favours by belittling the new teams (which may be potential customers after all..).
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:35 AM   #32
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This is Ferrari we're talking about.
the flamboyant italians for you...

There is an element of truth in what they are saying though, but for a professional racing team that isn't exactly the most dignified way to put it..
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:09 AM   #33
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That pathetic excuse for a statement just reminds me of when people were saying that F1 is in a way "a closed shop" well looking back at that, doesnt it seem that this trucking tanker LdM is a staunch advocate of such a thing just so he can field three cars?

On what grounds does he have to try and belittle the monumental efforts made by both Virgin and Lotus to not only set up a team but get cars built and running? Both of those newbies have every right to be peeved at this, it would make them seem that they are not welcome in F1 by this elitist nutjob.
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:17 AM   #34
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the flamboyant italians for you...

There is an element of truth in what they are saying though, but for a professional racing team that isn't exactly the most dignified way to put it..
Argh .

Who wants "dignified" responses ?
I want to hear them call a spade a spade .

I think F1 could use a little "trash talk" to counter the "corporate speak" responses we are used to hearing .


This is no different to Enzo riding the "garagistas" , back in the day .

Go Luca .
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:21 AM   #35
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While I am in no way a supporter of Max, what exactly was he supposed to do? Of course the situation with the new teams isn't ideal, but if Max hadn't stuck his oar in then there's a reasonable chance we'd only have 12-16 cars this year. Maybe Ferrari want to win at all costs, even if that means being the only manufacturer in the sport.
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:48 AM   #36
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While I am in no way a supporter of Max, what exactly was he supposed to do? Of course the situation with the new teams isn't ideal, but if Max hadn't stuck his oar in then there's a reasonable chance we'd only have 12-16 cars this year. Maybe Ferrari want to win at all costs, even if that means being the only manufacturer in the sport.
Maybe he could have initiated a proper vetting process to ensure teams might have a chance at reaching the grid .
Stefanovic applied , but without Cosworth , was rejected .

He's still pleading for a spot while 2 "vetted" teams flounder .
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:02 AM   #37
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Re: "limping"

At Jerez, Virgin and Lotus were 3.5 & 4.6s (respectively) off the front, and 1.5 & 2.6s (respectively) off the next-worst team (Toro Rosso). Their stallions look a tad lame to me.
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:05 AM   #38
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This outing from LdM is another dig at Max, and he is also stating that he was, and always will be right. Ofcourse this is false, but he has some points this time.

Exept for Lotus and Virgin.
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:23 AM   #39
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Maybe he could have initiated a proper vetting process to ensure teams might have a chance at reaching the grid .
Stefanovic applied , but without Cosworth , was rejected .
Bingo.
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:37 AM   #40
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Why should F1 be limited to 10 teams ? Whats next, you dont move in or out of the premier leaque in the UK. Its all about money, moore teams, less to share. Ferrari has built their shares of crap and slow cars over the years, had their shares of funny moments, on and of the track... What on earth are the taking about, F1 is so expensive, mostly due to teams like ferrari, that 2 out 4 teams are ready is a miracle in todays tough economics. Hats of Virgin and Lotus, and ferrari, shut up, and let your car due the taking !
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