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**mikaelluioy** · 11-01-2009, 09:54 PM

Alguersari - he really should know where his pits are by now, this wasn't his first GP after all...

**nickayary** · 11-01-2009, 10:02 PM

Grosjean or Fisi, both rubbish compared with their team mates and everyone else

**DF9sLGSU** · 11-01-2009, 10:02 PM

Jamie Alguesari for single-handedly rewriting the drivers' bumper book of excuses.

**mr.supervideogoodfd** · 11-01-2009, 10:07 PM

alguesari-getting lost in the pit lane. wouldve been undestandable if he had got lost on the track with all those roads everywhere, but he didnt, he got lost in the simple part.

**Toossehew** · 11-01-2009, 10:10 PM

Jaime Alguersuari for going into the wrong pits, I know they're both Red Bull teams but still it was very funny.

**beenBinybelia** · 11-01-2009, 10:27 PM

Fisi, he was about one MINUTE slower in the race than Kimi.

**RicyReetred** · 11-01-2009, 10:33 PM

I would have loved to see the expression on the Red Bull pit crew's faces.

"Wot, this isn't our car! Hey, you! Get this bag of bolts out'ta here!"

So Alguersuari for me.

**st01en_lox** · 11-01-2009, 10:35 PM

Yas Marina circuit. Boring race. Why should I care about the day/night race and the stupid lights on the buildings? I watch the cars/teams/drivers, not the friggin' circuit!!!

**EzekelEnzino** · 11-01-2009, 10:39 PM

Yas Marina circuit. Boring race. Why should I care about the day/night race and the stupid lights on the buildings? I watch the cars/teams/drivers, not the friggin' circuit!!!

Yep, totally agreed, it was boring to watch.

**cmruloah** · 11-01-2009, 11:08 PM

Fisi, he was about one MINUTE slower in the race than Kimi.

At the finish, Kimi was 54 seconds behind Vettel, and GF was about 2 seconds behind Vettel and a lap down. With race laps in the 1:43 range, I'd say Kimi beat Fisi by about 51 seconds. Now factor in Fisi's drive-though penalty (about 10-15 seconds) and you have the true gap; 35-40 seconds.

Actually, I think the most significant stat would be the gap just before the first stop, which was about 20-23 seconds. After that, Kimi had a lonely drive, passing no one, while GF had to make his way by a couple of drivers after he got sent to the tail-end of the field after the drive-through. 20-23 seconds may be quite substantial in your book, but considering that it was probably 7-8 seconds after just 2-3 laps Fisi's pace wasn't that bad.

**intorkercet** · 11-01-2009, 11:09 PM

It has to be young Jaime, for doing a 'Matt Neal'.

**gooseCile** · 11-01-2009, 11:10 PM

Jaime...

**nushentelve** · 11-01-2009, 11:14 PM

Alguersari of course!!!

**PetraCromlich** · 11-01-2009, 11:32 PM

Grosjean had another stinker of a race but i agree, it has to be Alguersuari, there's nothing more embarassing than driving into another team's pit box.

**beenBinybelia** · 11-01-2009, 11:46 PM

At the finish, Kimi was 54 seconds behind Vettel, and GF was about 2 seconds behind Vettel and a lap down. With race laps in the 1:43 range, I'd say Kimi beat Fisi by about 51 seconds. Now factor in Fisi's drive-though penalty (about 10-15 seconds) and you have the true gap; 35-40 seconds.

Actually, I think the most significant stat would be the gap just before the first stop, which was about 20-23 seconds. After that, Kimi had a lonely drive, passing no one, while GF had to make his way by a couple of drivers after he got sent to the tail-end of the field after the drive-through. 20-23 seconds may be quite substantial in your book, but considering that it was probably 7-8 seconds after just 2-3 laps Fisi's pace wasn't that bad.

Who cares? 51 seconds is about a minute. The fact is Kimi destroyed Fisi in their races together.

**PetraCromlich** · 11-01-2009, 11:54 PM

Who cares? 51 seconds is about a minute. The fact is Kimi destroyed Fisi in their races together.

Granted he had practically zero time to familiarize himself with the car but still like you said he was close to a minute behind Raikkonen in the races, compare it with the latest newcomer (Kobayashi) who likely had similar levels of car familiarization and within 2 races, he was scoring points and beating his teammate.

Says it all really.

**cmruloah** · 11-01-2009, 11:58 PM

Who cares? 51 seconds is about a minute. The fact is Kimi destroyed Fisi in their races together.

You clearly care because you brought it up. And 51 seconds with an extra stop puts your exaggeration into more perspective. I make it my business to know how Fisi's race went--it's your mistake to neglect the factors.

"The fact that Kimi 'destroyed' Fisi" is IN FACT not a fact. It's an opinion. My post, Dex, has the facts.

**DF9sLGSU** · 11-02-2009, 12:03 AM

My post, Dex, has the facts.

Bit of a Phyrric victory though, isn't it? Your argument is that Fisi's race wasn't quite as crap as Dex said. Crap, but not total crap.

**cmruloah** · 11-02-2009, 12:18 AM

Bit of a Phyrric victory though, isn't it? Your argument is that Fisi's race wasn't quite as crap as Dex said. Crap, but not total crap.

I'll agree with that.

If he would've pointed out that Kimi out-qualified him by, IIRC, 1.4 seconds I might have given him a bit of credit.

I teach writing for a living and students must submit opinions with evidence.

**retrahdggd** · 11-02-2009, 12:21 AM

Alguersuari .. nice pick Franz

11-01-2009, 09:54 PM	#1
mikaelluioy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 424 Senior Member	Donkey of the race - Abu Dhabi Alguersari - he really should know where his pits are by now, this wasn't his first GP after all... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 10:02 PM	#2
nickayary Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 396 Senior Member	Grosjean or Fisi, both rubbish compared with their team mates and everyone else Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 10:02 PM	#3
DF9sLGSU Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	Jamie Alguesari for single-handedly rewriting the drivers' bumper book of excuses. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 10:07 PM	#4
mr.supervideogoodfd Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 456 Senior Member	alguesari-getting lost in the pit lane. wouldve been undestandable if he had got lost on the track with all those roads everywhere, but he didnt, he got lost in the simple part. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 10:10 PM	#5
Toossehew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 365 Senior Member	Jaime Alguersuari for going into the wrong pits, I know they're both Red Bull teams but still it was very funny. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 10:27 PM	#6
beenBinybelia Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 430 Senior Member	Fisi, he was about one MINUTE slower in the race than Kimi. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 10:33 PM	#7
RicyReetred Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	I would have loved to see the expression on the Red Bull pit crew's faces. "Wot, this isn't our car! Hey, you! Get this bag of bolts out'ta here!" So Alguersuari for me. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 10:35 PM	#8
st01en_lox Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	Yas Marina circuit. Boring race. Why should I care about the day/night race and the stupid lights on the buildings? I watch the cars/teams/drivers, not the friggin' circuit!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 10:39 PM	#9
EzekelEnzino Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 742 Senior Member	Yas Marina circuit. Boring race. Why should I care about the day/night race and the stupid lights on the buildings? I watch the cars/teams/drivers, not the friggin' circuit!!! Yep, totally agreed, it was boring to watch. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 11:08 PM	#10
cmruloah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	Fisi, he was about one MINUTE slower in the race than Kimi. At the finish, Kimi was 54 seconds behind Vettel, and GF was about 2 seconds behind Vettel and a lap down. With race laps in the 1:43 range, I'd say Kimi beat Fisi by about 51 seconds. Now factor in Fisi's drive-though penalty (about 10-15 seconds) and you have the true gap; 35-40 seconds. Actually, I think the most significant stat would be the gap just before the first stop, which was about 20-23 seconds. After that, Kimi had a lonely drive, passing no one, while GF had to make his way by a couple of drivers after he got sent to the tail-end of the field after the drive-through. 20-23 seconds may be quite substantial in your book, but considering that it was probably 7-8 seconds after just 2-3 laps Fisi's pace wasn't that bad. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 11:09 PM	#11
intorkercet Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	It has to be young Jaime, for doing a 'Matt Neal'. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 11:10 PM	#12
gooseCile Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 563 Senior Member	Jaime... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 11:14 PM	#13
nushentelve Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 459 Senior Member	Alguersari of course!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 11:32 PM	#14
PetraCromlich Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 467 Senior Member	Grosjean had another stinker of a race but i agree, it has to be Alguersuari, there's nothing more embarassing than driving into another team's pit box. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 11:46 PM	#15
beenBinybelia Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 430 Senior Member	At the finish, Kimi was 54 seconds behind Vettel, and GF was about 2 seconds behind Vettel and a lap down. With race laps in the 1:43 range, I'd say Kimi beat Fisi by about 51 seconds. Now factor in Fisi's drive-though penalty (about 10-15 seconds) and you have the true gap; 35-40 seconds. Actually, I think the most significant stat would be the gap just before the first stop, which was about 20-23 seconds. After that, Kimi had a lonely drive, passing no one, while GF had to make his way by a couple of drivers after he got sent to the tail-end of the field after the drive-through. 20-23 seconds may be quite substantial in your book, but considering that it was probably 7-8 seconds after just 2-3 laps Fisi's pace wasn't that bad. Who cares? 51 seconds is about a minute. The fact is Kimi destroyed Fisi in their races together. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 11:54 PM	#16
PetraCromlich Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 467 Senior Member	Who cares? 51 seconds is about a minute. The fact is Kimi destroyed Fisi in their races together. Granted he had practically zero time to familiarize himself with the car but still like you said he was close to a minute behind Raikkonen in the races, compare it with the latest newcomer (Kobayashi) who likely had similar levels of car familiarization and within 2 races, he was scoring points and beating his teammate. Says it all really. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-01-2009, 11:58 PM	#17
cmruloah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	Who cares? 51 seconds is about a minute. The fact is Kimi destroyed Fisi in their races together. You clearly care because you brought it up. And 51 seconds with an extra stop puts your exaggeration into more perspective. I make it my business to know how Fisi's race went--it's your mistake to neglect the factors. "The fact that Kimi 'destroyed' Fisi" is IN FACT not a fact. It's an opinion. My post, Dex, has the facts. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-02-2009, 12:03 AM	#18
DF9sLGSU Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	My post, Dex, has the facts. Bit of a Phyrric victory though, isn't it? Your argument is that Fisi's race wasn't quite as crap as Dex said. Crap, but not total crap. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-02-2009, 12:18 AM	#19
cmruloah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	Bit of a Phyrric victory though, isn't it? Your argument is that Fisi's race wasn't quite as crap as Dex said. Crap, but not total crap. I'll agree with that. If he would've pointed out that Kimi out-qualified him by, IIRC, 1.4 seconds I might have given him a bit of credit. I teach writing for a living and students must submit opinions with evidence. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-02-2009, 12:21 AM	#20
retrahdggd Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 419 Senior Member	Alguersuari .. nice pick Franz Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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