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Old 10-19-2009, 05:11 AM   #1
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so schumi's victories while overtaking through pitstops weren't good achivements
You have nothing better than start bringing MS into discussion?
How ever if you decided to go down this route I can only say that MS' 90+ race wins, some of them from the back of the grid and with countless overtaking moves, are worth of many more applause than Webber's 2. I hope you get the ideea.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:12 AM   #2
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Would you rather that Webber had qualified worse, in order to make his victory somehow more worthwhile?
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:16 AM   #3
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You have nothing better than start bringing MS into discussion?
How ever if you decided to go down this route I can only say that MS' 90+ race wins, some of them from the back of the grid and with countless overtaking moves, are worth of many more applause than Webber's 2. I hope you get the ideea.
nope but it sure is funny when you laugh at a driver who's won a race "by overtaking through pits" and idolize another driver who's the master of that craft.....as i said,it's nice to see people getting emo
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:22 AM   #4
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Kubica was impressive. Webber drove well. Special mention to Kimi who drove extremely well even though he had petrol in his eyes. He is a hard man.

I was also impressed by Kobayashi's defense, very ruthless.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:30 AM   #5
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So many good drives. Aside from the obvious ones i'd like to mention Nico - who if as we were led to believe was on full wet did a great job hanging onto the leaders before his luck ran out.

And Kobay. Great first drive, never gave up and came home to the flag. Excellent, give that man a full time seat.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:38 AM   #6
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You do know that "Kiwi" is slang for a New Zealander, and that Webber is Australian, right?

Anyway: what "lousy move"?
I do know that and, oops, I thought Mark was from NZ. My bad.

His lousy move was putting Kimi into the grass. It was lousy and is very unbecoming of a guy who tries to pass himself off the Lord of All Things Concerning Safety. Just look at what happened to Trull and Nakajima to see what COULD have happened when I guy gets forced into a last-second move, and Mark knew what he was doing. His justification was PATHETIC, and I'm paraphrasing: Kimi would've done it so it's OK for me to do it.

Talk about no moral courage.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:54 AM   #7
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Webber.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:19 AM   #8
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Would you rather that Webber had qualified worse, in order to make his victory somehow more worthwhile?
I don't give a rats as$ about where Webber should or not have qualified.

I'm expressing an opinion about who was/were the best drivers in this race and for the reason I stated Webber isn't in the group of 3 that I mentioned.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:57 AM   #9
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Webber, Hamilton, Vettel, and Kubica are all tied.

Bunsen passed the guys who are nobodies, passing anyone with barely any racing experience in F1 is hardly spectacular, now if it was on vettel, hamilton, etc... then I'd give him props
Yeah, but he sure did have a hard time passing Kobayashi!
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:10 AM   #10
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Kubica

Praise to Kobayashi for a solid and entertaining drive.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:47 AM   #11
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Kubica

Praise to Kobayashi for a solid and entertaining drive.
Kubayashi was braking and moving over in the zone and at least once almost caused Jenson to crash.

Eventually he tried the banzai tactic with Kazuki and he caused a crash.

Maybe or not Kubayashi is f1 material, but with tactics like that he will quickly learn his way to the carpet in Paris.

Anyway, Jenson did get by him tactics and all and that is what counted.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:50 AM   #12
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Kubica, Hamilton, Button, Raikkonen, Vettel and Kobayashi, there were many good drives.
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:58 AM   #13
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Kubayashi was braking and moving over in the zone and at least once almost caused Jenson to crash.
Yes, but he didn't break any rules, and his was definitely the most entertaining drive of the race, far more impressive than anything we've seen from Alguesuari or Grosjean.
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:41 AM   #14
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I do know that and, oops, I thought Mark was from NZ. My bad.

His lousy move was putting Kimi into the grass. It was lousy and is very unbecoming of a guy who tries to pass himself off the Lord of All Things Concerning Safety. Just look at what happened to Trull and Nakajima to see what COULD have happened when I guy gets forced into a last-second move, and Mark knew what he was doing. His justification was PATHETIC, and I'm paraphrasing: Kimi would've done it so it's OK for me to do it.

Talk about no moral courage.
that move was not nice at all and it was not the first time he did that.
In essence if they call them all the same way I can chalk it to racing, but the reality of the matter is that if there is any move that should be scrutinized, it is that particular move where you force a driver off track.

i don't mind the weaving around, or blocking, but I do not condone the purposeful and dangerous maneuvering that would force a competitor off track and potentially cause serious damage to that car, other cars or spectators, or the drivers. What webber did was wrong, what Kobayashi did was equally as bad since he cut across when the driver was accelerating to overtake him.

so in a rare case he is both a driver of the race and a partial donkey
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:42 AM   #15
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Mark Webber, he drove flawlessly in both qualifying and race.

Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel, Robert Kubica, Jenson Button and Sebastien Buemi all drove very good races
Pretty much those guys
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:19 PM   #16
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Button & Vettel had great races, which is great to see from two championship contenders. Rather than just hanging back, (if Button hadn't finished he'd still be champion based on yesterday's result) he was at full attack all race.

And well done to Webber for a dominant drive, it's a shame his second race win was largely ignored by the BBC so they could go and be sprayed with beer by the cheering, slightly incoherent Brawn mechanics
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:36 PM   #17
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Webbo for the win
Kubica for the podium
Jenson for the WDC
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:49 PM   #18
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Kubica and Hamilton tied IMO....both overcoming bad cars to score podiums was highly impressive.

Buemi raised his game at this GP and also deserves a mention.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:41 PM   #19
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Kubayashi was braking and moving over in the zone and at least once almost caused Jenson to crash.

Eventually he tried the banzai tactic with Kazuki and he caused a crash.

Maybe or not Kubayashi is f1 material, but with tactics like that he will quickly learn his way to the carpet in Paris.

Anyway, Jenson did get by him tactics and all and that is what counted.
Ah yes, but remember you said Kobay would qualify and race last so the very fact that he did such a good job on Button proves he's the best rookie by far this season.

GO KOBAY!
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:23 PM   #20
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Webber put in a flawless drive, but it was in the best car with none of the championship pressure on him.

Hamilton overcame a terrible grid position to put it on the podium.

Button soaked up the pressure like a sponge; and overtook more people in one race than many drivers manage in a season. He was unfortunate to find himself trapped behind a weaving Toyota, but even so still risked his championship to pass it.

Vettel knew it was sh*t or bust, and gave everything and more in a bid to keep his slender hopes alive.

How to decide between the four? I'm not sure I can. Heart says Jenson simply because he was most under presure, but head says it was a cracking race and to single out one driver would be unfair.
Spot on. A wonderful and entertaining race that had everything
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