[DebtDetox]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79435

"It was the team and Nelson - but Alonso was part of the problem. He knew. We can not know it [but] of course he knew. [It's an] absolute certainty." Come on, Felipe. Tell it like it is

Next year will be fun, I cannot wait for Alonso and Massa relationship to boil over and Alonso totally humiliate himself again.

[dittygari]

whine whine whine

[Bvghbopz]

I do agree with Massa about Alonso knowing, but can't quite see why he is mentioning this in an interview about his future team mate. He is obviously pinning this single episode on the reason he lost the WDC last year, which is a little misguided. If it makes him feel better then great, but its less than constructive IMO..

[StethyEntinic]

It seems a rather pointless thing for Massa to raise again. He's already claimed that the "fix" cost him the WDC, and he now seems keen on blaming his new team mate as well

[WeestDype]

How heroic of him to come out with this now, when an end has effectively been put to the matter.

By the way, I find it rather odd that Barrichello's spiritual side has had nothing to say on the various 'cheating/fixing' scandals to have engulfed the sport of late. Or is it only accidents involving drivers being hit on the head that God causes to happen in quick succession?

[dittygari]

at the risk of repeating myself which I have done in some previous thread,isn't Massa conveniently forgetting the points he "won" at Spa...

funny how people twist things around to suit themselves

[ONLINEPHARMACYCHEAPILLS]

How heroic of him to come out with this now, when an end has effectively been put to the matter.

By the way, I find it rather odd that Barrichello's spiritual side has had nothing to say on the various 'cheating/fixing' scandals to have engulfed the sport of late. Or is it only accidents involving drivers being hit on the head that God causes to happen in quick succession?

The time is right for you to begin approaching some of these F1 drivers about ghost writing their books for them.

[Flatlytaize]

Next year will be fun, I cannot wait for Alonso and Massa relationship to boil over and Alonso totally humiliate himself again.

I would love to see the look on your face if the opposite was to be true!

[VZF74G0M]

How heroic of him to come out with this now, when an end has effectively been put to the matter.

An end was put to the spygate affair, but rarely a day goes by without it being brunged up on 'ere.....

[Promalada]

Me thinks Massa may know something we don't, like that he won't be a # 1 or 2 at Ferrari next year. Can you say Alonso and Schumacher? I just think Felipe is bitter because of his freak injury and the freak finish to the championship last year. Can't blame him, but at the same time there is no way of him knowing if Alonso knew or not. I highly doubt Alonso would orchestrate something like what happened. I'm sure it was 100% Briatore. Alonso had already won 2 WDC, it's not like he was desperate for anything... Also Alonso is known to speak his mind and be very open and honest. Sorry but there's no way he would cheat like this. He doesn't need cheap wins when he's already beaten one of the best in Schumacher, fair and square.

[anatmob]

Can't blame him, but at the same time there is no way of him knowing if Alonso knew or not. I highly doubt Alonso would orchestrate something like what happened. I'm sure it was 100% Briatore. Alonso had already won 2 WDC, it's not like he was desperate for anything... Also Alonso is known to speak his mind and be very open and honest. Sorry but there's no way he would cheat like this. He doesn't need cheap wins when he's already beaten one of the best in Schumacher, fair and square.

I'm pretty certain Alonso knew about the plan, after all he was the one who had to put up with a strategy that on the face of it (with a ridiculously short first stint) had no chance of working unless something happened at exactly the right time. He or his engineer would have needed something serious to convince them that that strategy was the right place to go and not the conventional ultra-long first stint which is the norm when someone quick starts at the back.

Whilst I like Alonso he's been in the periphery of too many scandals for him to be regarded as clean.....

[Duaceanceksm]

Massa baby stay cool!

Massa just does not want to become another Rubens and this is after all where he's headed.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...UjuyCdO7Ibu4MA

If it were a hunch, I can feel 2007 coming up.

[evarekataVame]

I'm pretty certain Alonso knew about the plan, after all he was the one who had to put up with a strategy that on the face of it (with a ridiculously short first stint) had no chance of working unless something happened at exactly the right time. He or his engineer would have needed something serious to convince them that that strategy was the right place to go and not the conventional ultra-long first stint which is the norm when someone quick starts at the back.

Whilst I like Alonso he's been in the periphery of too many scandals for him to be regarded as clean.....

Wasn't there evidence in the radio transcripts that Alonso's engineer didn't know about it? ISTR that he questioned the wisdom of the very short fuel strategy and was told by Pat Symonds something along the lines of "don't worry it'll be fine." If Alonso's engineer was in the dark then I think that's a pointer towards Alonso not knowing either.

[hablyShappY]

Wasn't there evidence in the radio transcripts that Alonso's engineer didn't know about it? ISTR that he questioned the wisdom of the very short fuel strategy and was told by Pat Symonds something along the lines of "don't worry it'll be fine." If Alonso's engineer was in the dark then I think that's a pointer towards Alonso not knowing either.

Alonso and his engineer may not have known about the plan during the race, but he almost certainly learned about it after the race. There would have been comments made within the team after the race, that would have told him what had gone on. As close knit as the teams are, it would have been impossible for him not to learn about it. And Alonso still kept quiet about it and accepted the benefit that came with it.

[Ternneowns]

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/15/m...et-crash-plan/
who knows what question was asked and how it was asked

Speaking with a group of journalists in his native Brazil where the F1 circus is preparing for this weekend's grand prix, Felipe Massa said with "absolute certainty" that Alonso knew about the plan to have wingman Nelson Piquet crash to hand him the controversial victory Afterwards, level-headed, he wanted to be more specific via the Ferrari website. "What I've said is the outcome of a hunch I've had and is not based on any concrete evidence," Felipe said. "The FIA World Council announced that there was no indication that Fernando may have been informed of what had happened and I respect this outcome. alonso = cheat by association
(spygate crashgate)

[evarekataVame]

Alonso and his engineer may not have known about the plan during the race, but he almost certainly learned about it after the race. There would have been comments made within the team after the race, that would have told him what had gone on. As close knit as the teams are, it would have been impossible for him not to learn about it. And Alonso still kept quiet about it and accepted the benefit that came with it.

Yes, you could well be right.

[bonyclayd]

Who CARES what Massa says now?

He lost the championship to Lewis and is tryiing to undermine that. He is attempting to sully the reputation of Alonso.

Massa is a driver that next year at Ferrari knows he will be the very definite second driver. He will never be in a position to win the championship again and understands that his time at the top is essentially over.

By the end of 2010 he is likely to be out of a top team and on his way out of f1.

2012 Massa signs for Chip Ganassi in Indycars! LOL!!!

[Itrtuawh]

You don't think this latest string of outspoken comments is anything to do with the after-effects of his accident do you?

I mean he did have brain surgery, and was hit on the head very hard.

As far as I know he never used to talk about stuff like this before.

[Itrtuawh]

Who CARES what Massa says now?

He lost the championship to Lewis and is tryiing to undermine that. He is attempting to sully the reputation of Alonso.

Massa is a driver that next year at Ferrari knows he will be the very definite second driver. He will never be in a position to win the championship again and understands that his time at the top is essentially over.

By the end of 2010 he is likely to be out of a top team and on his way out of f1.

2012 Massa signs for Chip Ganassi in Indycars! LOL!!!

Nonsense. A fully fit Massa is a match for Alonso.

[JesexhiSeeces]

I have a ton of respect for Alonso as a driver--he's the most complete there is after Schumacher. But . . .

After his alleged whining about Fisi's pace back in the day I thought, "Eh, so what, he's clearly faster than GF most of the time. It's probably just the Fisichella apologists."

After his short, problematic tenure with McLaren--his issues with Hamilton and his part in Spygate, I thought, "Well, maybe it was not the best situation to be in. McLaren obviously prefer Hamilton."

But after Crash-gate, I'm almost done being a fan of his. I really think Piquet, Sr. gave a cogent explanation of FA's Singapore strategy. It just didn't make sense and I tend to believe an intelligent driver like Fernando HAD to know something.