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Old 10-04-2009, 04:39 PM   #1
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Default The Championship
As it stands now, there are 16 points between the top three.

So who's going to take it?

Kimi did it two years ago. And we are in the exact same position again.

Who do the last two tracks favor?

Even if SV wins the next two races, does he still have a shot?

Vettel and Rubens are on equal footing, Vettel with a superior car. So it's all Button's championship to lose. As it has been since day one.

Any thoughts?
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:56 PM   #2
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Button needs just 4 points to see off Vettel, even if he wons both races, and assuming Vettel does just that, those 4 points will be enough to see off Rubens as well - the odds are stacked in Jensons favour.

if Vettel wins and Button picks up at lease a couple of points then Rubens will likely be helping Jenson in Abu Dhabi as he'll be out of it.

plus Toyota are in forma dn i can see Hamilton winning one of the last 2 races. Factor in Vettel has no engines left so is recycling old ones puts him at a disavantage.

its Buttons to lose - a couple of 5th places will see him home comfortabley, but stranger things have happened (for the last 2 years!!) so it could yet go to any of the 3, although i'm inclined to think Vettel or Jenson, i don't think the Brawn is good anough at the moment for Rubens to make up 14 points cos he's need to win a race really
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:58 PM   #3
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Abu Dhabi has a lot of dull mickey mouse corners like Singapore so that should favour Red Bull.

Although the long straights at Interlagos will favour the Mercedes engines.
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Old 10-04-2009, 05:01 PM   #4
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Abu Dhabi has a lot of dull mickey mouse corners like Singapore so that should favour Red Bull.

Although the long straights at Interlagos will favour the Mercedes engines.
i think its the other way round - the fast track of Interlagos favouring Red Bull (although its slow enough that McLaren will be all over it, expecially with Kers for the drag up form the last corner

Abu Dhabi slow/medium corners is good for Brawn, plus hot which helps them/hinders Red Bull too
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Old 10-04-2009, 05:08 PM   #5
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i think its the other way round - the fast track of Interlagos favouring Red Bull (although its slow enough that McLaren will be all over it, expecially with Kers for the drag up form the last corner
I think that the high altitude and long uphill straights will be more of a disadvantage to Red Bull than the fast nature of the circuit will be an advantage.
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Old 10-04-2009, 05:23 PM   #6
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I expect Lewis Hamilton to win the remaining two races and to make Vettel's championship impossible. Also I expect Jenson to score few points in Brazil and few in Abu Dhabi. Same about Rubens.
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Old 10-04-2009, 06:27 PM   #7
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4 points should really be enough for Button to get this over and done with
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Old 10-04-2009, 06:29 PM   #8
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Button hasn't lead a lap since round 11 (apparently) and hasn't won for 8 straight races. He's scored 1 podium in those 8 races. Not exactly a memorable run to the flag is it? It's still his title to lose and I can't see Barrichello or Vettel taking the title without a huge amount of luck.
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Old 10-04-2009, 07:12 PM   #9
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Vettel arguably has a better chance than Barrichello now. Vettel needs a win and a 2nd, Barrichello needs a win and a 4th or two 2nds. Both assuming Button fails to score. On current form I can see Vettel achieving that more than Barrichello. And if the Brawn is good enough for Barrichello to get those results then Button will probably be able to cover him off.

But Button should be able to do enough, and as people have said there are other drivers who will be taking points off Vettel and Barrichello.
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Old 10-04-2009, 07:35 PM   #10
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Button hasn't lead a lap since round 11 (apparently) and hasn't won for 8 straight races. He's scored 1 podium in those 8 races. Not exactly a memorable run to the flag is it? It's still his title to lose and I can't see Barrichello or Vettel taking the title without a huge amount of luck.
But nobody else has been good enough to get anywhere near him.

They've all wasted their chances, like Vettel making too many mistakes for example.
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:54 PM   #11
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Button hasn't lead a lap since round 11 (apparently) and hasn't won for 8 straight races. He's scored 1 podium in those 8 races. Not exactly a memorable run to the flag is it? It's still his title to lose and I can't see Barrichello or Vettel taking the title without a huge amount of luck.
If the season were the other way round people would be praising Jenson for winning 6 of the last 7 races .............how quickly we forget

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Old 10-04-2009, 08:56 PM   #12
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Vettel doesn't have enough engines available to win the 2 remaining races, sadly still he is doing great so kudos to him.
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:57 PM   #13
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Doesn't count as fact.
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:04 PM   #14
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Doesn't count as fact.
Of course not, but when jenson wins the Championship whether he won lots of races at the start or end of the season does not matter one bit.....

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Old 10-04-2009, 11:23 PM   #15
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First he has to win it. I keep my fingers crossed for him and Brawn GP, but I have to admit that I am very disappointed in the way they are fighting for WDC and WCC... it is an exciting and thrilling championship, but IMO whoever wins will be the weakest champion in recent years.
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:28 PM   #16
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First he has to win it. I keep my fingers crossed for him and Brawn GP, but I have to admit that I am very disappointed in the way they are fighting for WDC and WCC... it is an exciting and thrilling championship, but IMO whoever wins will be the weakest champion in recent years.
here's how i see it: If Bunsen or Barry wins it, there hasnt been such a limp-over-the-line champion since probably, 96. Hamilton ran it close last year, but he won the penultimate race so kudos to him.

If Vettel wins it, toghether with raikkonen's 07 world champions then there hasnt been such a storming fight from so far behind to become a world champion for ages..............
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:50 PM   #17
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First he has to win it. I keep my fingers crossed for him and Brawn GP, but I have to admit that I am very disappointed in the way they are fighting for WDC and WCC... it is an exciting and thrilling championship, but IMO whoever wins will be the weakest champion in recent years.
I'm with you on this. He's 99% likely to be champion but history will not remember him kindly (if it turns out to be his only title). He has no fire to drag the best out of a car which is no longer the best, all he does is complain. At least Damon Hill fought like a lion at suzuka in '96 (remember how close that Benetton got to him at the last chicane?), but I've yet to see any of the same from Jenson. He seems trapped in his own head, unable to relax and get on with the job. There are some glimpses of what we know he can do - those laps at singapore and that excellent dummy pass today but they are too few and far between for him to become a "great" champion.
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:07 AM   #18
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I'm with you on this. He's 99% likely to be champion but history will not remember him kindly (if it turns out to be his only title). He has no fire to drag the best out of a car which is no longer the best, all he does is complain. At least Damon Hill fought like a lion at suzuka in '96 (remember how close that Benetton got to him at the last chicane?), but I've yet to see any of the same from Jenson. He seems trapped in his own head, unable to relax and get on with the job. There are some glimpses of what we know he can do - those laps at singapore and that excellent dummy pass today but they are too few and far between for him to become a "great" champion.
No matter who wins... Crashaholic Vettel and whing Rubens were not better... they, like Jenson, are undoubtedly good drivers, but compare them with last year's battle of lions... Or the cars? Imagine for a WCC leading team to fight FOR 8th?!
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:14 AM   #19
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If the season were the other way round people would be praising Jenson for winning 6 of the last 7 races .............how quickly we forget

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Your comment says it all really.

Its best to ignore most of the media and any other variety of idiots with attention spans equal to gnats!

As I was raised on Denis Jenkinson and Pete Lyons I will naturally always be at odds with the current "Twitter mentality".

It has to be remembered that Button is not a popular driver in much the same way of Nigel Mansell. Jenson is defying the words of many commentators and this not something that is well accepted.

This is why Jenson is not praised but cricitized and Hamilton is praised not criticized.

Take a gander at the 2003 season where Schumi won FIVE - but THREE at the beginning - races on his way to the title. He had a run of races where Barrichello beat him and his results cratered. Did we here criticism? Of course not.

Then at the end of the season, with three races to go he won TWO in a row.

Jenson's season is indeed reminiscient of 2003.

And doing what he did at the start of 2009 matches anyone in the sport. Jenson will be champion and most deserving one at that. It will however come at the price of his detractors in the same way that Mansell's did.

Nigel was NOT supposed to win a championship and yet he was so marvellously dominant and what was heard?! It was only because of the car and so... The haters remain the haters - but that is their problem.

Go Jenson!!!
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:15 AM   #20
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Button hasn't lead a lap since round 11 (apparently) and hasn't won for 8 straight races. He's scored 1 podium in those 8 races. Not exactly a memorable run to the flag is it? It's still his title to lose and I can't see Barrichello or Vettel taking the title without a huge amount of luck.
This is a very good point. As much as he will probably win the title he continues to disappoint as a top racer. Brawn I am as sure notices this as well. I think he should at least step it up and get 4 points in brazil and then try to win the last race in hopes brawn will keep him around. But it could be a bit late
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