[Zenunlild]

Well thankfully that was the last Formula 1 race on the silly grooved tyres. Back to proper racing slicks from next year

There were comments during the race that slicks hold up better in wet conditions than the grooved tyres, from vague memory I think that is the case? I certainly remember some stunning performances, the likes of Schumacher vs Hill at Belgium where the German was on slicks on a damp track.

[ARKLqAZ6]

Never liked the groves, it started as three then four grooves didn't it. It was good to watch the old footage of F1 cars with slicks on during the ITV coverage, can't wait to see them back.....Less down force grippy tyres, overtaking shall be good next year.

[wMceqj7F]

There were comments during the race that slicks hold up better in wet conditions than the grooved tyres, from vague memory I think that is the case?

I definitely remember hearing complaints about that when the grooved tyres first came in. Presonally I would have guessed that the grooved tyres would be less likely to aquaplane, I wonder why that's not the case.

[Zenunlild]

I think I heard because the compound was harder. Not sure. Although I beleive the 2009 slicks are going to be pretty hard too.

[TimoDass]

I definitely remember hearing complaints about that when the grooved tyres first came in. Presonally I would have guessed that the grooved tyres would be less likely to aquaplane, I wonder why that's not the case.

It's not about aquaplaning, it's about losing temperature. Grooved tires have a bigger surface thus they lose temperature at a higher rate than the slicks (for a similar volume).

[wMceqj7F]

It's not about aquaplaning, it's about losing temperature. Grooved tires have a bigger surface thus they lose temperature at a higher rate than the slicks (for a similar volume).

Ah, makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if there was also some effect from harder compounds as mentioned by Mark.

[nermise]

Does anybody have any pictures of the 2009 cars specifications with the new wings etc?

When is the first off-season test, maybe we then can see how the front- and backwing will look like?

[ringtonesmannq]

With above - have any pics been released yet, or is it guesswork until the next test?

[RokgroofeTeme]

http://www.totalf1.com/forums/lofive...hp/t10371.html

Check it!

[ASSESTYTEAH]

http://www.totalf1.com/forums/lofive...hp/t10371.html

Check it!

Those rear wings will take some getting used to

[oxinsnepe]

Never liked the groves, it started as three then four grooves didn't it. It was good to watch the old footage of F1 cars with slicks on during the ITV coverage, can't wait to see them back.....Less down force grippy tyres, overtaking shall be good next year.

It started out as 3 groves on the front and 4 on the rear. Then it was 4 on all tires.

[reachmanxx]

Looking forward to this. I just hope the field is close enough, like this year.

[TimoDass]

http://www.totalf1.com/forums/lofive...hp/t10371.html

Check it!

I'm not sure that is the full 2009 guise. Only the rear wing and the diffuser.
The front wing doesn't look that large, plus I think that the bridge element will be banned as the middle section of the wing will be standard for everyone, and all those aerodynamic appendages are still there

[slimsex]

When I began following F1, the cars were on grooves (2001.) So 2009 will be the first year I've witnessed slicks. Obviously, I've watched older races when cars were on slicks, but never have I seen the slicks in live action. I wonder what a difference it will make.

[TimoDass]

Found this scan on the modeling forum:



Link: http://www.f1m.com/main/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9906

[ASSESTYTEAH]

Found this scan on the modeling forum:



Link: http://www.f1m.com/main/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9906

I've read that in this weeks autosport, its a very accurate representation in my view, they said earlier that as a result, teams could save close to £50million in aerodynamic R&D.

Im suprised though that those "wheel covers" arent banned under the new regs

[TimoDass]

I've read that in this weeks autosport, its a very accurate representation in my view, they said earlier that as a result, teams could save close to £50million in aerodynamic R&D.

Im suprised though that those "wheel covers" arent banned under the new regs

Well, all aero appendages are banned, but the front and rear wing, and the diffuser, but as we all know the wheel covers aren't aero appendages but a part of the braking system.

[OQmYckYz]

When I began following F1, the cars were on grooves (2001.) So 2009 will be the first year I've witnessed slicks. Obviously, I've watched older races when cars were on slicks, but never have I seen the slicks in live action. I wonder what a difference it will make.

By themselves, slicks won't make much difference. I think it's the combination of slicks and reduced aero that will make the difference.

The difference may not be all positive. With more grip from the tyres drivers may be able to get out of corners better making it harder for the following driver to make use of a better corner exit in trying to make a pass down the straight.

Who knows? We've only go 5 months till we find out too.

[slimsex]

By themselves, slicks won't make much difference. I think it's the combination of slicks and reduced aero that will make the difference.

I see. But why is everybody so happy to see the grooves go if the slicks don't make that much of a difference? (I'm not being smart)

And also, the aero on the previous years' cars created a problem with overtaking. Has that been resolved for this year?

[robstamps]

In this weeks Autosport there is a computer visualisation of how the cars may look next season. It is based on a ferrari and is only a journalists impression but worth a look.