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socialkiiii 05-05-2011 10:09 AM

PURE is to design and supply engines for 2013.
 
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91107

This is a pleasant surprise. http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/smile.gif

TerriLS 05-05-2011 12:14 PM

I thought the engine rules for 2013 weren't finalised? How are you going to design an engine when parameters aren't set?

I can see a HRT-PURE or a Virgin-PURE on the grid in 2013 but not much else. I don't think Williams or Sauber would be desperate enough to sign with company that has never designed an F1 engine before, even if they were extremely cheap.

KevinDonae 05-05-2011 12:42 PM

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I can see a HRT-PURE or a Virgin-PURE on the grid in 2013 but not much else. I don't think Williams or Sauber would be desperate enough to sign with company that has never designed an F1 engine before, even if they were extremely cheap.
I don't think you can make that claim all that easily:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91107
"Mecachrome will be putting together, manufacturing and constructing the engines - fabricating them. The development is being done by TEOS, IFP and D2T. So we are a very tight team, and being tight means that our costs are an awful lot lower - and that means we should be able to carry over this cost reduction to teams and give them a cost-effective power train."
PURE's engine design is being led by Jean-Pierre Boudy, who worked on Renault's first prototype turbo-charged racing engine in the 1970s and was responsible for Peugeot's F1 engines in the '90s. Pollock added that all the personnel on the project have F1 or Le Mans experience.


It sounds from the outset that this could be a properly well thought out campaign to build engines with a two year lead time.

It might be worth remembering that neither Techniques d'Avant Garde or Porsche had had much experience in building F1 engines, yet after 5 seasons they walked away with 3 Driver's Championships, 2 Constructor's Championships and 25 GP victories.

TerriLS 05-05-2011 02:49 PM

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I don't think you can make that claim all that easily:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91107
"Mecachrome will be putting together, manufacturing and constructing the engines - fabricating them. The development is being done by TEOS, IFP and D2T. So we are a very tight team, and being tight means that our costs are an awful lot lower - and that means we should be able to carry over this cost reduction to teams and give them a cost-effective power train."
PURE's engine design is being led by Jean-Pierre Boudy, who worked on Renault's first prototype turbo-charged racing engine in the 1970s and was responsible for Peugeot's F1 engines in the '90s. Pollock added that all the personnel on the project have F1 or Le Mans experience.


It sounds from the outset that this could be a properly well thought out campaign to build engines with a two year lead time.

It might be worth remembering that neither Techniques d'Avant Garde or Porsche had had much experience in building F1 engines, yet after 5 seasons they walked away with 3 Driver's Championships, 2 Constructor's Championships and 25 GP victories.
That's true I suppose but I can't see Red Bull dumping Renault for the new guys. Of course 2013 is about the best time to enter the sport as the existing manufacturers have to start from the same clean slate. Stranger things have happened than a new company providing world beating engine first time out. I just wouldn't bet on it.

paypaltoegold1 05-05-2011 03:04 PM

"PURE's engine design is being led by Jean-Pierre Boudy, who ...was responsible for Peugeot's F1 engines in the '90s"

Now THAT was a success, wasn't it?!

StitlyDute 05-05-2011 05:58 PM

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PURE's engine design is being led by Jean-Pierre Boudy, who worked on Renault's first prototype turbo-charged racing engine in the 1970s and was responsible for Peugeot's F1 engines in the '90s.
Hmmm - Renaults' first attempts at turbo charging F1 engines resulting in many failures....

Peugeots' firsts attempts at normally aspirated F1 engines resulted in many failures....

StitsVobsaith 05-05-2011 06:03 PM

Pollock's involved, so how long before the usual suspects start linking Villeneuve to a comeback? http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ies/tongue.gif

TerriLS 05-05-2011 06:28 PM

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Pollock's involved, so how long before the usual suspects start linking Villeneuve to a comeback? http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ies/tongue.gif
And five minutes after said comeback evapourates Dave Richards will be blamed for JV's failure to get back into the sport. Again.

wrewsTear 05-05-2011 06:36 PM

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I can see a HRT-PURE or a Virgin-PURE on the grid in 2013 but not much else. I don't think Williams or Sauber would be desperate enough to sign with company that has never designed an F1 engine before, even if they were extremely cheap.
I'm not sure whether Cosworth are going to carry on for 2013 and beyond, after all they are only competing now because they had an existing V8 to modify for the current regulations. They may not wish to invest in designing an all-new engine just to supply a couple of tailend teams that may or may not even be around after a few years, especially when another strong reason for their entering F1 ie being a pawn in Mosley's games has disappeared. PURE might have some eager customers not prepared to get a full-on customer deal with the big boys like Ferrari and Renault.

Bonioners 05-05-2011 07:06 PM

Definitely a nice surprise this - will be good for Cosworth (who I hope stick around) to have some competition in the customer engine stakes like back when Judd and Ilmor (pre-Mercedes) were involved.

Guess we'll see how it pans out though.

bushomeworkk 05-05-2011 07:51 PM

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Pollock's involved, so how long before the usual suspects start linking Villeneuve to a comeback? http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ies/tongue.gif
Not long , Dave .

JV's site has been "under construction" for a while now .
And , all's quiet .

Shhhhhh .

Thomas12400 05-06-2011 01:50 AM

"The reality is that if you have 400-450 employees such as Mercedes have or 300 in the case of Renault - then your overheads are extremely high,"

I remember when USF1 made a similar argument.

socialkiiii 07-29-2011 12:08 AM

Gilles Simon leaves FIA to join Pollock's PURE engine company - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

Something smells fishy...

StitsVobsaith 07-28-2012 02:21 AM

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Guess we'll see how it pans out though.
Not very well, it seems:

Craig Pollock's PURE company has been forced to suspend development of its engine for 2014, AUTOSPORT can reveal, on the back of an issue with its investors.
The Cologne-based operation is hoping to provide a supply of customer power units for the new 1.6-litre turbo engine V6 era, but it has been forced to cease work due to a funding issue.
Source: PURE suspends 2014 engine development after funding issues - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

Phassetus 07-28-2012 08:03 AM

It seems anything Pollock touches turns to ****. Kind of the opposite of Midas one could say.

Abnorttrano 07-28-2012 06:04 PM

I thought that the turbo V6 engines were going to be used starting in 2014. Something isn't right ...

deermealec 07-28-2012 07:03 PM

Look at the date of the first post. http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/smile.gif

makemoneyonli 07-28-2012 07:59 PM

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It seems anything Pollock touches turns to ****. Kind of the opposite of Midas one could say.
When I was reading this earlier, I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing! The touch or Merde rather than Midas http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif

Phassetus 07-29-2012 04:19 PM

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When I was reading this earlier, I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing!
Great minds think alike.

The touch or Merde rather than Midas http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif I actually laughed out loud over that. Good one.

makemoneyonli 07-29-2012 07:58 PM

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Great minds think alike.

... or "Fools seldom differ" http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif


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