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**retTreftowhexm** · 10-07-2011, 09:51 PM

Since there's been "bashing" but also very analytic discussions about different drivers and their performance, I felt like this thread is a must.

Who is the most overrated rally driver and why? Let's keep it clean and civil.

**adesseridopaw** · 10-07-2011, 10:33 PM

Past or present?
I don't think there are many false expectations out there at the moment. Everyone's a pretty well known quantity.

**JohnMitchel** · 10-07-2011, 10:53 PM

Sebastien Loeb, what has he acheived

**JohnMitchel** · 10-07-2011, 10:56 PM

Please note the above post is 100% a joke.

**PlayboyAtWork** · 10-07-2011, 11:25 PM

Overrated, ever? by who??

Maybe the media hyped Travis Pastrana, Kimi and Valentino Rossi?

Valentino in Rally GB 2002

**KimLinbert** · 10-08-2011, 12:43 AM

Guy Wilks

**beckercpa** · 10-08-2011, 01:06 AM

Guy Wilks

+1 + Gardemaister

**Tarrccrys** · 10-08-2011, 02:53 AM

Garde was really good but never won. JML should never stay in the works squad after all shunts and mistakes he had. But money turns the world around.

**arrasleds** · 10-08-2011, 02:57 AM

Mikko Hirvonen, he could be a paper champion soon. He only appears to be good because of team orders, although he is a way better driver than anyone on here could be.

**Zysyewgg** · 10-08-2011, 03:24 AM

although he is a way better driver than anyone on here could be.

this kind of bs is often said here, its not relevant, would you accept poor work from a tradesman because it was better than you could do?

And Mikko is better than many here think, he just shouldnt have been made No1 as soon. He has driven some great events but often he is beaten in his head before he gets to the stages

**Mereebirl** · 10-08-2011, 03:36 AM

Its really difficult to say who's "over rated" - Someone who is supposed to be good but actually isn't. The trouble is, we know who the big 5 are in WRC, we know who the middle of the pack are, and, er...
To be brutally honest (as much as I dont want to say it), maybe Ostberg. He was lightening fast in sweden, and he got a seat in a WRC car to aim for podiums, but weve waited and waited(since sweden), but a podium never hapenned. So maybe we've over rated Mads a bit.

I must also say, I think he is full of potential, and with more experience under the belt, in the future he could be competing with paddon and hanninen for the drivers championship.

**colmedindustry** · 10-08-2011, 03:44 AM

Personally, I believe its a tad churlish to say Hirvonen is the most 'overrated' driver. People seem to have very short memories, it wasn't long ago he was pushing Loeb every inch of the way on gravel, regularly beating him in fact. Having said that however, I believe his decline as a driver can be traced to that massive shunt on his favourite corner on Rally Finland last season(?), which appears to have dented his confidence to take that last tenth over the edge that the top drivers have to have. I realise he's never going to beat the Sebs on tarmac though.

Also, some above mentions Guy Wilks...how is he over-rated? He's proved his pace at UK National level, and has been competitive in the IRC when in a good car. No-one has ever said he's a world beater, so how is he over-rated?

The most over-rated driver at the moment? I don't think anyone in the WRC is 'over-rated' by anyone who possesses an ounce of common sense. As Greg says in post #2, everyone is a known quantity so by definition, can't be over-rated....

**Mereebirl** · 10-08-2011, 03:49 AM

Personally, I believe its a tad churlish to say Hirvonen is the most 'overrated' driver. People seem to have very short memories, it wasn't long ago he was pushing Loeb every inch of the way on gravel, regularly beating him in fact. Having said that however, I believe his decline as a driver can be traced to that massive shunt on his favourite corner on Rally Finland last season(?), which appears to have dented his confidence to take that last tenth over the edge that the top drivers have to have. I realise he's never going to beat the Sebs on tarmac though.

Also, some above mentions Guy Wilks...how is he over-rated? He's proved his pace at UK National level, and has been competitive in the IRC when in a good car. No-one has ever said he's a world beater, so how is he over-rated?

The most over-rated driver at the moment? I don't think anyone in the WRC is 'over-rated' by anyone who possesses an ounce of common sense. As Greg says in post #2, everyone is a known quantity so by definition, can't be over-rated....

Agree with this, although I think his loss of pace happened before rally finland last year, maybe the crash in mexico?
Marcus gronholm after he took his first title says it wore him out mentally, which is why he couldnt take the title the following season, but he was back the year after to claim his title

**zoppereurvito** · 10-08-2011, 04:09 AM

Around the world the most overrated driver is Ken Block I think... He's quite famous and I wouldn't be surprised if many people think that he's one of the top drivers in the WRC. On this forum, it's hard to say who's overrated... Some people here say Hirvonen is most overrated, but on this forum, I think Hirvonen's the last guy who is overrated.

**zlopikanikanzax** · 10-08-2011, 04:15 AM

its funny how people consider clowns like Block, Rossi, Kimi ects RALLY DRIVERS.

And that is the problem with the sport, there is no filter, any rich boy can jump in and be considered a rally driver....

go on with the thread now.

**arrasleds** · 10-08-2011, 04:21 AM

its funny how people consider clowns like Block, Rossi, Kimi ects RALLY DRIVERS.

And that is the problem with the sport, there is no filter, any rich boy can jump in and be considered a rally driver....

go on with the thread now.

In the weeks leading upto, and during Rally Mexico 2010, you said that drivers like Kimi and Block, were 'legend ambassadors of the human race', can you tell me why?

**Narcodran** · 10-08-2011, 04:26 AM

not easy to say...
don't know about the MOST overrated but, among fans, I saw many who, in my opinion, overrated a bit Francois Duval... he had the speed, but he had way too many crashes...
among non-fans, obviously Ken Block... many people think that he is a WRC champion or something like that, and when you say to them that he is way off the pace of the top drivers, they say that he needs time to learn and in a couple of years he will be champion

**zlopikanikanzax** · 10-08-2011, 04:31 AM

In the weeks leading upto, and during Rally Mexico 2010, you said that drivers like Kimi and Block, were 'legend ambassadors of the human race', can you tell me why?

when you become 18....

**arrasleds** · 10-08-2011, 04:34 AM

chris butterworth is a pedo

???????

**zlopikanikanzax** · 10-08-2011, 04:49 AM

Langdale do you have some kind of mental disability ? or are you 12 ?

Stop quoting spammers....

10-07-2011, 09:51 PM	#1
retTreftowhexm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 386 Senior Member	The most overrated rally driver? Since there's been "bashing" but also very analytic discussions about different drivers and their performance, I felt like this thread is a must. Who is the most overrated rally driver and why? Let's keep it clean and civil. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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adesseridopaw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	Past or present? I don't think there are many false expectations out there at the moment. Everyone's a pretty well known quantity. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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JohnMitchel Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	Sebastien Loeb, what has he acheived Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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JohnMitchel Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	Please note the above post is 100% a joke. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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PlayboyAtWork Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 393 Senior Member	Overrated, ever? by who?? Maybe the media hyped Travis Pastrana, Kimi and Valentino Rossi? Valentino in Rally GB 2002 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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KimLinbert Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Guy Wilks Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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beckercpa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 459 Senior Member	Guy Wilks +1 + Gardemaister Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Tarrccrys Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 588 Senior Member	Garde was really good but never won. JML should never stay in the works squad after all shunts and mistakes he had. But money turns the world around. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-08-2011, 02:57 AM	#9
arrasleds Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 407 Senior Member	Mikko Hirvonen, he could be a paper champion soon. He only appears to be good because of team orders, although he is a way better driver than anyone on here could be. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Zysyewgg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 537 Senior Member	although he is a way better driver than anyone on here could be. this kind of bs is often said here, its not relevant, would you accept poor work from a tradesman because it was better than you could do? And Mikko is better than many here think, he just shouldnt have been made No1 as soon. He has driven some great events but often he is beaten in his head before he gets to the stages Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-08-2011, 03:36 AM	#11
Mereebirl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 475 Senior Member	Its really difficult to say who's "over rated" - Someone who is supposed to be good but actually isn't. The trouble is, we know who the big 5 are in WRC, we know who the middle of the pack are, and, er... To be brutally honest (as much as I dont want to say it), maybe Ostberg. He was lightening fast in sweden, and he got a seat in a WRC car to aim for podiums, but weve waited and waited(since sweden), but a podium never hapenned. So maybe we've over rated Mads a bit. I must also say, I think he is full of potential, and with more experience under the belt, in the future he could be competing with paddon and hanninen for the drivers championship. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-08-2011, 03:44 AM	#12
colmedindustry Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 344 Senior Member	Personally, I believe its a tad churlish to say Hirvonen is the most 'overrated' driver. People seem to have very short memories, it wasn't long ago he was pushing Loeb every inch of the way on gravel, regularly beating him in fact. Having said that however, I believe his decline as a driver can be traced to that massive shunt on his favourite corner on Rally Finland last season(?), which appears to have dented his confidence to take that last tenth over the edge that the top drivers have to have. I realise he's never going to beat the Sebs on tarmac though. Also, some above mentions Guy Wilks...how is he over-rated? He's proved his pace at UK National level, and has been competitive in the IRC when in a good car. No-one has ever said he's a world beater, so how is he over-rated? The most over-rated driver at the moment? I don't think anyone in the WRC is 'over-rated' by anyone who possesses an ounce of common sense. As Greg says in post #2, everyone is a known quantity so by definition, can't be over-rated.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-08-2011, 03:49 AM	#13
Mereebirl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 475 Senior Member	Personally, I believe its a tad churlish to say Hirvonen is the most 'overrated' driver. People seem to have very short memories, it wasn't long ago he was pushing Loeb every inch of the way on gravel, regularly beating him in fact. Having said that however, I believe his decline as a driver can be traced to that massive shunt on his favourite corner on Rally Finland last season(?), which appears to have dented his confidence to take that last tenth over the edge that the top drivers have to have. I realise he's never going to beat the Sebs on tarmac though. Also, some above mentions Guy Wilks...how is he over-rated? He's proved his pace at UK National level, and has been competitive in the IRC when in a good car. No-one has ever said he's a world beater, so how is he over-rated? The most over-rated driver at the moment? I don't think anyone in the WRC is 'over-rated' by anyone who possesses an ounce of common sense. As Greg says in post #2, everyone is a known quantity so by definition, can't be over-rated.... Agree with this, although I think his loss of pace happened before rally finland last year, maybe the crash in mexico? Marcus gronholm after he took his first title says it wore him out mentally, which is why he couldnt take the title the following season, but he was back the year after to claim his title Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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zoppereurvito Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 520 Senior Member	Around the world the most overrated driver is Ken Block I think... He's quite famous and I wouldn't be surprised if many people think that he's one of the top drivers in the WRC. On this forum, it's hard to say who's overrated... Some people here say Hirvonen is most overrated, but on this forum, I think Hirvonen's the last guy who is overrated. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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zlopikanikanzax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	its funny how people consider clowns like Block, Rossi, Kimi ects RALLY DRIVERS. And that is the problem with the sport, there is no filter, any rich boy can jump in and be considered a rally driver.... go on with the thread now. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-08-2011, 04:21 AM	#16
arrasleds Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 407 Senior Member	its funny how people consider clowns like Block, Rossi, Kimi ects RALLY DRIVERS. And that is the problem with the sport, there is no filter, any rich boy can jump in and be considered a rally driver.... go on with the thread now. In the weeks leading upto, and during Rally Mexico 2010, you said that drivers like Kimi and Block, were 'legend ambassadors of the human race', can you tell me why? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Narcodran Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 586 Senior Member	not easy to say... don't know about the MOST overrated but, among fans, I saw many who, in my opinion, overrated a bit Francois Duval... he had the speed, but he had way too many crashes... among non-fans, obviously Ken Block... many people think that he is a WRC champion or something like that, and when you say to them that he is way off the pace of the top drivers, they say that he needs time to learn and in a couple of years he will be champion Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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zlopikanikanzax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	In the weeks leading upto, and during Rally Mexico 2010, you said that drivers like Kimi and Block, were 'legend ambassadors of the human race', can you tell me why? when you become 18.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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arrasleds Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 407 Senior Member	chris butterworth is a pedo ??????? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-08-2011, 04:49 AM	#20
zlopikanikanzax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Langdale do you have some kind of mental disability ? or are you 12 ? Stop quoting spammers.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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