[corriffuniee]

This was a terrible deal. As for your personal analysis, it's only that, and that alone. Opinion.

[ElisasAUG]

Technically, the statement, "Not the first, won't be the last," is both fact and opinion. "Not the first" is a fact. "Won't be the last" is an opinion, but as you say, very likely to become a fact in the future.

[c2siOlIk]

My sympathy/patience for people opposed to the death penalty winds dangerously low. What penalty is appropriate for a lifer who kills in prison? If you say "death," then we are only negotiating about the threshhold of the penalty, not the act. If you say life, then you are wasting my tax money (and yours, if you pay it) to maintain a useless husk of a human who will never contribute anything to society.

[oronozopiy]

Normally I agree with you Blau all the way, but I've seen estimates that the amount of money spent on death row and all of the appeals that go along with it exceed the cost of just incarcerating them for life. I find it hard to believe but I've seen it so many times there has to be some truth in it. And no I have no current links, but maybe I'll look for a few minutes.

[gechaheritt]

You could, of course, make the death penalty less expensive (and in fact, the Clinton Administration and the GOP Congress did just that) by limiting appeals for death penalty convictions. That, however, will only result in even more innocent people being executed.

[AbraxiaAsus]

just because the guy was "innocent" doesn't mean he wasn't a threat to society

he either hadn't killed someone yet
or in this particular case, did it so well that even the so called experts were wrong

if someone can't be proven guilty, it means they covered up their crime really well

death penalty
better safe than sorry

[larentont]

We had the debate about Sharon Keller's actions.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?t=170753

[67Irralphaisa]

That's not technically a fact. It's just an extremely likely possibility.

He says it's not the first and won't be the last. Like he's some all-seeing, all-knowing entity, when in fact, it's just mouthy opinion.
He's entitled to his opinion. Not that I give a rat's ass about his opinion.
I would caution you about coming to live in Texas, if you are unable to control your big mouth, Che. I'm serious.

[Grzqbmhy]

Suck me, Imran. No one rattled your cage. To address your point, I didn't say a damned thing about his being a communist. I said his big mouth. He constantly runs his mouth. He can do that in fromt of a monitor, but I'm trying to be a nice guy and tell him to watch his mouth if he's here. Personally, I don't care if someone steals his bicycle again.

[Lymneterfeiff]

Btw, Sloww. I know Commies from Texas, so shove your macho talk. And I know conservatives in Canada. What's your point?

Holding your tongue is a seriously good idea.

[Nurfzerne]

****. well I won't be moving to Texas

[opelayday]

He says it's not the first and won't be the last. Like he's some all-seeing, all-knowing entity, when in fact, it's just mouthy opinion.
He's entitled to his opinion. Not that I give a rat's ass about his opinion.
I would caution you about coming to live in Texas, if you are unable to control your big mouth, Che. I'm serious.

Aww, your widdle feelings hurt, Slowwy? Maybe you should stop being such a pompous ass and trying to be such a damn know it all when you're nearly as inaccurate as BenK. And maybe you shouldn't be such a damn hypocrite.

And I can defend myself, Slowwy.

[Galsteinbok]

I think that in Texas you are guilty be default, damn rebels.

[Rufio]

Some facts about the case, from a simple Google search:

Two days before Christmas in 1991, Willingham poured a combustible liquid on the floor throughout his home and intentionally set the house on fire, resulting in the death of his three children. According to autopsy reports, Amber, age two, and twins Karmon and Kameron, age 1, died of acute carbon monoxide poisoning as a result of smoke inhalation. Neighbors of Willingham testified that as the house began smoldering, Willingham was “crouched down” in the front yard, and despite the neighbors’ pleas, refused to go into the house in any attempt to rescue the children. An expert witness for the State testified that the floors, front threshold, and front concrete porch were burned, which only occurs when an accelerant has been used to purposely burn these areas. The witness further testified that this igniting of the floors and thresholds is typically employed to impede firemen in their rescue attempts. The testimony at trial demonstrates that Willingham neither showed remorse for his actions nor grieved the loss of his three children. Willingham’s neighbors testified that when the fire “blew out” the windows, Willingham “hollered about his car” and ran to move it away from the fire to avoid its being damaged. A fire fighter also testified that Willingham was upset that his dart board was burned. Willingham told authorities that the fire started while he and the children were asleep. An investigation revealed that it was intentionally set with a flammable liquid. His claims of heroic effort to save the girls were not borne out by his unscathed escape with little smoke in his lungs. Source: http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/...lingham899.htm

Unbiased source? No, probably not. Do I know the facts of the case? Not really.

That said, it seems as if there might be another side to this story - at the very least, this guy was a heartless bastard, and that's assuming he wasn't guilty, which 12 of his peers concluded he was.

[Chooriwrocaxz]

In other news . . . .

By JEFF CARLTON, Associated Press Writer Jeff Carlton, Associated Press Writer – Fri Sep 4, 1:13 pm ET

DALLAS – Thomas McGowan's journey from prison to prosperity is about to culminate in $1.8 million, and he knows just how to spend it: on a house with three bedrooms, stainless steel kitchen appliances and a washer and dryer.

"I'll let my girlfriend pick out the rest," said McGowan, who was exonerated last year based on DNA evidence after spending nearly 23 years in prison for rape and robbery.

He and other exonerees in Texas, which leads the nation in freeing the wrongly convicted, soon will become instant millionaires under a new state law that took effect this week.

Exonerees will get $80,000 for each year they spent behind bars. The compensation also includes lifetime annuity payments that for most of the wrongly convicted are worth between $40,000 and $50,000 a year — making it by far the nation's most generous package.

"I'm nervous and excited," said McGowan, 50. "It's something I never had, this amount of money. I didn't have any money — period."

His payday for his imprisonment — a time he described as "a nightmare," "hell" and "slavery" — should come by mid-November after the state's 45-day processing period.

Exonerees also receive an array of social services, including job training, tuition credits and access to medical and dental treatment. Though 27 other states have some form of compensation law for the wrongly convicted, none comes close to offering the social services and money Texas provides.

The annuity payments are especially popular among exonerees, who acknowledge their lack of experience in managing personal finances. A social worker who meets with the exonerees is setting them up with financial advisers and has led discussions alerting them to swindlers.

The annuities are "a way to guarantee these guys ... payments for life as long as they follow the law," said Kevin Glasheen, a Lubbock attorney representing a dozen exonerees.

Two who served about 26 years in prison for rape will receive lump sums of about $2 million apiece. Another, Steven Phillips, who spent about 24 years in prison for sexual assault and burglary, will get about $1.9 million.

The biggest compensation package will likely go to James Woodard, who spent more than 27 years in prison for a 1980 murder that DNA testing later showed he did not commit. He eventually could receive nearly $2.2 million but first needs a writ from the state's Court of Criminal Appeals or a pardon from the governor.

McGowan and the others are among 38 DNA exonerees in Texas, according to the Innocence Project, a New York legal center that specializes in overturning wrongful convictions. Dallas County alone has 21 cases in which a judge overturned guilty verdicts based on DNA evidence, though prosecutors plan to retry one of those.

Charles Chatman, who was wrongly convicted of rape, said the money will allow him some peace of mind after more than 26 years in prison.

"It will bring me some independence," he said. "Other people have had a lot of control over my life."

Chatman and other exonerees already have begun rebuilding their lives. Several plan to start businesses, saying they don't mind working but want to be their own bosses. Others, such as McGowan, don't intend to work and hope to make their money last a lifetime.

Some exonerees have gotten married and another is about to. Phillips is taking college courses. Chatman became a first-time father at 49.

"That's something I never thought I'd be able to do," he said. "No amount of money can replace the time we've lost."

The drumbeat of DNA exonerations caused lawmakers this year to increase the compensation for the wrongly convicted, which had been $50,000 for each year of prison. Glasheen, the attorney, advised his clients to drop their federal civil rights lawsuits and then led the lobbying efforts for the bill.

Besides the lump sum and the monthly annuity payments, the bill includes 120 hours of paid tuition at a public college. It also gives exonerees an additional $25,000 for each year they spent on parole or as registered sex offenders.

No other state has such a provision, according to the Innocence Project.

Exonerees who collected lump sum payments under the old compensation law are ineligible for the new lump sums but will receive the annuities. Whether the money will be subject to taxes remains unsettled, Glasheen said.

The monthly payments are expected to be a lifeline for exonerees such as Wiley Fountain, 53, who received nearly $390,000 in compensation — minus federal taxes — but squandered it by, as he said, "living large." He ended up homeless, spending his nights in a tattered sleeping bag behind a liquor store.

But after getting help from fellow exonerees and social workers, Fountain now lives in an apartment and soon will have a steady income.

Fountain's story is a cautionary tale for the other exonerees, who meet monthly and lately have been discussing the baggage that comes with the money.

Chatman said he's been approached by "family, friends and strangers, too."

"It takes two or three seconds before they ask me how much money, or when do I get the money," he said. "Everyone has the perfect business venture for you."

Though appropriately wary, the exonerees say they are excited about having money in the bank.

"You're locked up so long and then you get out with nothing," McGowan said. "With this, you might be able to live a normal life, knowing you don't have to worry about being out on the streets." Jailing Innocent People is BAD, M'k?

[steerryGritly]

It would be conceivable that Che would go to, I don't know, a VFW, and say how the United States sucks, as a for instance.

No, actually it wouldn't be conceivable.

[dupratac]

The farthest thing I'd consider from a fact would be your opinion actually. Well, second farthest, I guess... Ben's opinion is worse.

[Quaganoca]

I'm glad I live in the civlized part of the world...

[Jackson]

Texas governor covers his ass:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/01/...ref=newssearch

[slowlexrese]

So when will Governor Rick Perry take place on the death row or at least get a nice cell in prison?

After all he got the first report that cast doubts on the evidence against Williamson way before his execution, but chose to ignore it.
I assume you could turn this into a case of murder or manslaughter, or at least to a case of criminal neglect by Perry.