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Old 07-30-2009, 11:22 AM   #1
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Default Hillary Clinton is Dead!!!
Hillary Clinton is Dead!!!
Long live Hillary Clinton!!!


What's wrong with you man. Don't get my hopes up.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:55 AM   #2
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no man can take a woman seriously when he wants to bang the crap out of her. That would be Sarah's problem. Hilary doesn't suffer from this problem. I think there also is the slight possibility Hilary is smarter than Sarah Palin.
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:31 PM   #3
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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Hillary's certainly more knowledgable.

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Old 07-30-2009, 02:18 PM   #4
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We already know that Sarah hasn't done anything to write home about...but, what has Hillary done since being appointed? Not that I'm saying there is anything wrong with her doing nothing...
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:08 AM   #5
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In what way?
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:31 AM   #6
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Good explanation.

If the policy re Pakistan is changed and the plan is to not pretend they are dear friends, what incentive do they have to co-operate at all? Threats to reduce aid?
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Old 07-31-2009, 01:01 AM   #7
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Good explanation.

If the policy re Pakistan is changed and the plan is to not pretend they are dear friends, what incentive do they have to co-operate at all? Threats to reduce aid?
Yes. That and the fear that, the more they piss us off, the stronger they make our friendship with India (the fact that the Mumbai attacks originated within Pakistan, and with the support of elements of the Pakistani government, already has them fearing this possibility). In truth, though, we're not so much treating Pakistan as the enemy as we are getting them to understand that the Taliban are pretty much wholly the creation of Pakistan's intelligence service (the ISI), which continues to support them. Pakistan has to clean house, but the government itself is afraid of the ISI. We're trying to get them to man up, while also providing political cover for the job. But we're finally indicating that our patience is not limitless.
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Old 07-31-2009, 01:43 AM   #8
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And that's what may lead to failure in Afghanistan. But at least now we're delineating the problem clearly, and not looking the other way regarding Pakistan's culpability. It's a start, and certainly better than what we've been doing.
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:35 AM   #9
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And that's what may lead to failure in Afghanistan. But at least now we're delineating the problem clearly, and not looking the other way regarding Pakistan's culpability. It's a start, and certainly better than what we've been doing.
I agree. Facing reality is much better than the Bush policy of pretending everything was alright. The prospect of widening the war into P- is troublesome when you consider the type of warfare it is. It could be a long and painful grind for no gain.

I'll join you in hoping for the best however.
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:35 PM   #10
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Will the US public accept a further surge of troops to Afghanistan?

Tens of thousands more U.S. soldiers may soon be needed in Afghanistan to quell the raging Taliban insurgency, top American generals are preparing to tell President Barack Obama.

A spate of apparently deliberate leaks – seemingly aimed at preparing public opinion for a second “surge” involving as many as three or four more brigades or 20,000-plus soldiers and Marines – culminated Friday with several reports saying General Stanley McChrystal, who took command of U.S. and NATO forces in June, wants lots more troops.

The politically unpalatable news comes at the end of the bloodiest month in the bloodiest year since 2001 for U.S. and other foreign forces battling a resurgent Taliban, and on the same day the United Nations grimly warned that civilian casualties among war-weary Afghans soared this year.

As U.S. soldiers and Marines continue to pourinto Helmand and Kandahar provinces, where the Taliban insurgency is strongest, Gen. McChrystal also wants a fundamental shift in strategy. Instead of the intermittent patrolling from static bases, the general, who played a major role in U.S. counter-insurgency operations in Iraq, wants small units to stay and live in Afghan villages and hamlets.

That will require vastly greater numbers of forces – both foreign and Afghan – than have been deployed since the U.S.-led invasion toppled the Taliban from power in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in New York and Washington.

But Gen. McChrystal's counter-insurgency needs may face tough political hurdles in Washington. After approving more than 20,000 additional U.S. troops earlier this year, Mr. Obama said, “My strong view is that we are not going to succeed simply by piling on more and more troops.”

However, Gen. McChrystal, sent to Afghanistan in June, was given clear marching orders to both make some quick progress in winning the war and – equally importantly – to curtail air strikes. Although tactically vital to allied troops, the few air strikes that go wrong and kill Afghan civilians – sometimes scores of them – become widely known and disproportionately damage the image of U.S. and allied forces among ordinary Afghans.

Afghanistan remains a potential quagmire for the new President.

Mr. Obama – who has made Afghanistan his war – has already nearly doubled U.S. combat forces in Afghanistan to nearly 70,000.

Coupled with more than 30,000 NATO forces – including more than 2,000 Canadians embattled in the Taliban heartland of Kandahar – there are now roughly the same number of allied foreign forces in Afghanistan as there were Soviet forces during Moscow's failed 10-year war to subjugate Afghanistan.

However, sending even more troops to Afghanistan will be a tough political sell for the President, especially as there is a stubborn perception in Congress and among ordinary Americans that many of the NATO allies are shirking the fight by keeping their troops far from the combat zones in southern and eastern Afghanistan.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1238293/
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:25 AM   #11
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This year Pakistan's war on the Taleban has gone quite well. They've pretty much driven the Taleban out of two regions and they're making progress on a third. At this point I think we should simply give them silent support.
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