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Old 10-12-2007, 10:33 PM   #1
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I'm not necessarily saying they're wrong about this, but those incidents are pretty tame. Any drunk could've done that stuff.

I think some caution wrt hallucinogens is justified, though.

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Old 10-12-2007, 10:45 PM   #2
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More like Heil-land.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:56 PM   #3
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He predicted the trade will move underground, prices will rise, and dealers will sell dried mushrooms or LSD as a substitute, with no guidance for tourists.

"So you'll have a rise in incidents but they won't be recorded as mushroom-related, and the politicians can declare victory," he said. QFT


What is the difference between these incidents and any incident involving having too much alcohol?

It's people's own f**ing responsibility.

Also, the guy taking shrooms and then driving should sit in jail for years.
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Old 10-13-2007, 12:59 AM   #4
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Weezie has priorities.
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Old 10-13-2007, 01:04 AM   #5
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Originally posted by Sirotnikov

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What is the difference between these incidents and any incident involving having too much alcohol?

It's people's own f**ing responsibility.

Also, the guy taking shrooms and then driving should sit in jail for years. It's possible to drink only one beer and be relatively unaffected. Because of the unpredictable amount of psilocibin in the mushrooms the user can't control the effect. One mushroom could be too little or too much. One might also consider the qualitative difference between alcohol and hallucinogens. Alcohol is a general CNS depressant. It's effects on motor control, reasoning, judgement and thought processes are dose dependent. Hallucinations and psychosis generally don't occur unless alcholo is consumed in large quantities, quantities that are pretty close to fatally toxic. Most people who are not hard core big time drinkers would probably not be able to consume that much alcohol without vomitting it back up. Of course almost anyone can drink enough to the point where their judgement motor control is significantly impaired.

Hallucinogens are qualtitatively different in their effect on the brain. Virtually by definition the quantites needed to be consumed to have an effect are much smaller and it's generally not clear that the effects are dose dependent. I don't think it's really possible to say that X amount of psilocibin or LSD will make you a little giddy while X+ amount will make you psychotic. They're thought to work on particular receptors in the brain which themselves are present in amazingly small quantities so it doesn't take much to saturate the receptors and get a full blown effect. Furthermore since the primary effect of these substances is to disrupt the mechanism which controls the selection and flow of thought it's easy to grasp that when these substances are used the loss of judgement and reasoning will be earlier and more severe.

I would give almost anything to understand how they work.
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