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Old 10-02-2007, 12:35 AM   #1
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Default Woman Killed By Handcuffs at Phoenix Sky Harbor
Darwinism at work.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:53 AM   #2
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Originally posted by Berzerker
may have accidentally strangled herself while trying to escape from her handcuffs, which held her hands behind her back. Uhhh, how is that even possible.
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:10 AM   #3
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Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
Uhhh, how is that even possible. My guess is she was flexible enough to get them up over her head, but after that point her joints were locked up and the chain was stuck on her neck with no way of moving it.

A better strategy would have been to just go under the legs, but hey people are stupid.
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:21 AM   #4
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There is a lesson here for Americans. This is what being rude gets you.
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:34 AM   #5
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That's the most likely scenario.

When I first saw the thread my concern was the lack of observation on a restrained individual. She sounded like she might be in need of restraining but who was keeping an eye on her? The full article says she was in some sort of holding room. What was in this room (furniture or other items? padded walls?) is not mentioned. I don't think we have enough info to really say what happened.
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:52 AM   #6
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When I first saw the thread my concern was the lack of observation on a restrained individual. I wonder if they had her chained down to a bed, if you're in handcuffs and you can move around suffocation takes longer.
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:56 AM   #7
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the problem isn't getting the hands over the head, some people have double jointed shoulders and can do that. But once you did, how do you strangle yourself? Your arms would be extended above your head, not wrapped around your neck. And wouldn't she be in such a position when cops entered the room? You're a detective looking at her body, is she all contorted with the chain around her throat?
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:03 AM   #8
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Originally posted by Berzerker
the problem isn't getting the hands over the head, some people have double jointed shoulders and can do that. But once you did, how do you strangle yourself? Your arms would be extended above your head, not wrapped around your neck. And wouldn't she be in such a position when cops entered the room? You're a detective looking at her body, is she all contorted with the chain around her throat? Even if she managed to navigate the chain on the cuffs to her neck, I don't think you could even strangle yourself with the chain since it's only 2 inches long.

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Old 10-02-2007, 02:07 AM   #9
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More likely is whatever drugs she was on caused her heart to stop, and as she expired she tried to move the cuffs to her neck area. It is good, one less junkie in the airports.
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:12 AM   #10
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This just screams junkie.

Airport witnesses told police Friday that Gotbaum was "very loud, she was yelling and screaming and running around the concourse area," said Hill. Police "could not calm her down" and "it was very difficult for them to get her handcuffed." However, arresting officers "did not have to pepper spray her or [use a TASER device] on her or anything else," Hill said.

Traveling alone, Gotbaum rebooked on a following flight, but "she became extremely irate, apparently running up and down the gate area," airline spokesman Derek Hanna told the Daily News.

Airport workers who witnessed the arrest told the Daily News that Gotbaum was screaming, "I'm not a terrorist! I'm a sick mom! I need help!"

A police officer put his knee in Gotbaum's back to restrain her while other arresting police grabbed her flailing arms, one worker told the Daily News.

"I believe she was a little not-there," the worker told the newspaper. "She kept punching. She kept screaming. She kept kicking. She looked really scared, really frightened. I think she was afraid to go to jail."
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:12 AM   #11
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Originally posted by Berzerker
Darwinism is when people kill themselves in embarrassing ways

Like the kid who blew up a hornet's nest and the explosion broke the window to the house he was hiding in, the hornets tracked him down and he died from the stings.
That's funny, ina grim way. This woman is still stupid.
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:14 AM   #12
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Originally posted by Kidicious


Why can't that happen to Rush Limbaugh? It would be tragic if it did, he is four times the man you think you are, hopefully he will lose some weight however so that he can reclaim his hearing and forward mobility.
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:17 AM   #13
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Originally posted by Wiglaf


If I ever toke up and run around in an airport like a little girl without her salt shaker, then by all means tie me up strangle me and claim I did it. But you will never get that chance. But you do the equivalent to that here.
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:22 AM   #14
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Originally posted by Wiglaf


If I ever toke up and run around in an airport like a little girl without her salt shaker, then by all means tie me up strangle me and claim I did it. But you will never get that chance. Is that better that giving someone your credit card after crashing into them?
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:57 AM   #15
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I wouldn't be a cop for anything. No matter what they do, maybe they're up to something.
Maybe they are, like arresting criminals. I fully expect Dis to get a knock on the door someday.
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:01 AM   #16
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anyone know if this woman was black or white?

yes we all know it's fun to accuse the cops as racists. I'm certain most aren't, but you never know.
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:06 AM   #17
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Originally posted by Dis
Although i would think a man wouldn't just kill a woman from police brutatlity. Most men don't beat up on women. Now if it were a black man, I would be sure they were covering something up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXoczxzwYk

Women and children aren't safe either.
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:13 AM   #18
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Old 10-02-2007, 04:03 AM   #19
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in the media's eyes it changes everything
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Old 10-02-2007, 06:57 AM   #20
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Choking oneself suddenly sounds plausible.
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