[WhiliaStelt]

Richelieu - The idiot even brought Trudeau with him to one of the ridings. I guess he was that desperate for help.

Conversation overheard at next Liberal convention:
Dion - Et tu Brute?
Trudeau - Thanks for keeping the seat warm, ***hole.

I brought this over from the other thread.

I'm curious about Trudeau the Younger's popularity in Quebec. Do Libs like him and what about the general public?

I'm not sure how well he would play in the RoC. He seems likable enough but I don't think anyone really takes him seriously. Yet.

[kertionderf]

Ah, so this isn't a Celine Dion name-change thread. Sorry, I'll get my coat.

*exits*

[prmnwoks]

I met Trudeau this week. He seemed like a nice guy, but I think he's got a ways to go before he could lead the party.

He didn't seem particularly disturbed by the election loss, but said that the Liberals needed to stand for something rather than trying to get the anti-Conservative protest vote, because the smaller parties can do that too. He also tried to downplay media coverage of Dion not being so good.

I'm definitely not seeing any cutlery there, but that's my view, and I certainly don't know what the former leadership candidates are up to.

[Peretool]

Who?

[Wmshyrga]

Originally posted by Wezil
Iggy is the one I hear whispers about.

I agree with your assessment of Trudeau. He isn't ready. All he has now is name recognition. I don't like Iggy for some reason. I mean it's much more than individual policies, there's something about him that makes me dislike him. For the same reason, I don't doubt rumors that he might try again for the leadership.

Besides... there hasn't been a PM from Quebec since the last election. This obvious injustice must be rectified

[G8whlTAe]

This goes in some sort of subforum I should think.

[Waymninelia]

Am I the only one pissed off the Liberals are clearly trying to take advantage of some of the best hockey players to get name recognition?

Iggy, Dion? Give me a break!

[lerobudrse]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
This goes in some sort of subforum I should think. Did the title make it unclear what the topic was?

Troll.

[rouletteroulette]

Time in the wilderness is exactly what the Liberal Party of Canada needs. Dion may have been the best leader they could have picked.

[bp9QxekG]

Explain this "throne speech" to me.

[ancexiaepidge]

Thanks

[levitratestimon]

Originally posted by Wezil
I would be glad to.

Basically, it is the Government (Conservatives) informing the Governor General (Queen's Rep) what they plan to do in this "session" of parliament.

The elected members of the House of Commons will then vote up or down on the proposal (as a package) with the fate of the government in the balance (probably - there is the bit about amending if you really want to go there - not a likely scenario).

As the Conservatives are a minority they will need the support of at least one other party to survive and all the likely suitors are painting themselves into corners. If the oppo amend the throne speech, the government should feel free to ask the GG to dissolve Parliament and call an election.

Totally bogus spin to cover a non-confidence vote.

[herawaq]

Same here. It's ridiculous that they could amend the throne speech! I'm tired of all the posturing. The four parties really don't like each other, but no one wants an election. They should just sit down and vote together against the conservatives, or let them govern.

The liberals voted for staying in Iraq, the BQ for the budget, it really doesn't matter who ends up with the Conservatives, when no one really wants to face the wrath of the electorate, including the conservatives.

[xtrudood]

Originally posted by Seeker
Why does the NDP want us out of Afghanistan? They claim to want more recontruction - less war.

I rarely agree with the NDP. Even in this case. I too want Canada out of Afg- but for different reasons.

I don't agree with Iraq, thinking it was stupid, immoral, and possibly illegal under international law, but Afghanistan was a clear case for war if I ever saw it.

This is not the time to abandon afghanistan. Many think the point of the mission has been lost. Did you hear ANYONE in authority using the "bringing freedom and western values" excuse pre-invasion? That is how they are trying to sell it now.

It is a terribly unpopular policy in areas where the Tories hope to gain political ground, and equally popular amongst their base. Tough issue for them.

The NDP are at least consistant. They have yet to see a military mission they like.

The Libs have flipped on the issue, but credibility was never their strong suit anyway.

The Bloc is opposed b/c it is what their base prefers.

[Fausqueuego]

I'm torn between my desire to respond to that and my need to go do some grocery shopping.

Decisions, decisions....

[prpaims]

Originally posted by Wezil


They claim to want more recontruction - less war.

I rarely agree with the NDP. Even in this case. I too want Canada out of Afg- but for different reasons.



Many think the point of the mission has been lost. Did you hear ANYONE in authority using the "bringing freedom and western values" excuse pre-invasion? That is how they are trying to sell it now.

It is a terribly unpopular policy in areas where the Tories hope to gain political ground, and equally popular amongst their base. Tough issue for them.

The NDP are at least consistant. They have yet to see a military mission they like.

The Libs have flipped on the issue, but credibility was never their strong suit anyway.

The Bloc is opposed b/c it is what their base prefers. Those damed Western values! Which ones?

Like girls going to school?

[ddxbovMQ]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Those damed Western values! Which ones?

Like girls going to school? You do realise they are killing girls in Darfur? I guess it's okay so long as they go to school first?

There are girls starving to death in Zimbabwe. I think they do that in a school as well though.

Sorry to be so flippant but your comment was so cliche.

[tattcasetle]

That is the kicker. If this mission is so essential to the safety and security of "the west" then why are so many members unwilling to step up?

[soipguibbom]

Great. Attack us and we will come and educate your kids.

If you insist on being interventionist how be we go somewhere where the kids are actually dying?

[SannyGlow]

nye has a point there, Wezil.