[mikelangr]

That's an old one Pekka!

But a good one. That is how ancient fights looked like

Think Sparta, Athens. Being in the first row was considered a priviledge, and the first row was basically pushed forward by those behind. The deeper line usually won.

[Loxaeed]

I remember when I was watching those fights on YouTube some months go. Gets your adrenalin going just looking at it. BTW those guys are Russians, Spartak supporters vs some other guys. And the guys on the field in the other video you mention are Polish football hoolingans, if we are thinking about the same video. YouTube is probably deleting the really nasty stuff, there are better videos around.

[arraxylap]

Originally posted by Pekka
This is a big fight.

It's in Russia I think. Certainly. It's an old Russian entertainment called "stenka na stenku" or "wall vs. wall". It's as old as Russia itself.
But considering all those fires and red t-shirts, I think this one was a clash between football fans.

[AlexanderDrew]

Originally posted by Pekka
it's short... Well, the sound of police siren buried all the fun.

[blodwarttufla]

What happened at the end? It looks as if people from both sides are running off to the right side of the screen.

Well, the sound of police siren buried the all the fun. Ah! That explains it. The computer I'm currently using doesn't have sound.

[lollypopz]

Originally posted by Pekka
Serb, that was my first thought as well. Plus the torches, so... likely a fight between football fans.

That's still a way to fight other fans though, because sometimes they just bash and trash pubs abroad and stuff like that. Start fighting in a huge crowd outside the stadium. That's dangerous and lots of people who aren't into that are hurt, so that's just criminal.

This isn't exactly legal either, but I have no problem with these groups fighting when they get isolated and focus on each other. More probably they were Spartak fans as Vet suggested (red coats, my ass ) a guys from Moscow. So they are pretty well organized and can initiate something more than pub fight (like that video).
In my home city we don't have such clashes between fans. I find such fights between fans to be complete idiotism. On the other hand, when I'm drunk and our hockey team lost a game, I don't really think that kicking an opposing team fan's arse is a bad idea.
j/k I have not fight for five years or something.

[ligaliaCods]

The police and judges in east Europe are still not as effective as those in the West. If they catch you doing that kind of stuff in England you face serious fines and stuff. Even a jail sentence, I think. So it's a big deterrent. Too bad, I'd quite enjoy seeing some northern beserkers in action.

[pokerbonuscod]

Originally posted by VetLegion
The police and judges in east Europe are still not as effective as those in the West. If they catch you doing that kind of stuff in England you face serious fines and stuff. Even a jail sentence, I think. So it's a big deterrent. Too bad, I'd quite enjoy seeing some northern beserkers in action. Hmhh, yeah there are few countries that have had some seriouls problems with hooligans over the years and decades so they have good penalties for the people involved in it.

Ordinary fights wouldn't give you a big penalty, at least not in here and I figure not in England either. But if you're involved in these hooligan groups, it's a bit different then, and rightly so.

I don't know about northern europe, I don't think a lot of action is going on. We might have 1 hooligan, but we haven't found him yet. We have such a small football culture in here so we don't have that problem at all. Young people don't imitate the ones abroad because well, we're not good at football . We don't get to go and travel Europe with the national team so .. no one is a hooligan. Hockey is a bit different, people get drunk but not aggressive and definitely not fighting.

Sweden and Norway, I don't know but I don't think they have such a problem that other euro countries have. Sweden might have few teams that have a small groups of hooligans but nothing too big. And we don't have much penalties for it. I don't know, maybe Sweden will step up more, well they've had some action in the past, ti's not like they don't have it but it's just not a big problem yet.

[zawhmqswly]

Vet, yeah it is dangerous, every blow is potentially lethal. But these are a bit different, for example I can't watch these Bumfights videos. They created a lot of hype when they came out so I downloaded the first one but couldn't watch it through. It was such an abuse of homeless people, it was sickening. And they weren't fights like these, they were instigated by other people who were abusing them and for their own pleasure. That kind of sadism is just something I can't tolerate at all.

But these big clashes, I think they're interesting and entertaining to a certain point, as long as no one is getting seriously trashed when they're down, I think it's just fine.

And about MMA, I'm a huge fan. Been for years, since the mid 90s. Then again it's a sport but I do love it and I can't wait for the weekend for the next UFC to come out! WAR RANDY!!!

[InsManKV]

I don't know about that Serb. I've seen a lot of games, also in bars and stuff like that, never seen a fight over a hockey game.

I've seen tons of bad behaviour though. People swear a lot, shout at other fans or each other, but not actually fighting physically. It's a taboo in here to fight for hockey. It's a big no no.

I'm sure there's been fights, but they aren't that common and are definitely seen as something unacceptable. Also, there's often quite a bit of "taunting" between national team fans, but I've never seen it getting violent anywhere.

I don't know, I don't get angry after a game. If my team loses and it's a nervous game, I'm usually just sad about it and couldn't care less for the game for the next week or so. If we lose the game early on and it's obvious we can't win it, I just get bored and dont' want to watch it anymore.

So I don't know.. but I know there are tons of obnoxious fans, adn when talking about drunk fans there's tons of obnoxious Finnish fans who travel the world and go the games. These middle aged ****** are usually pretty damn annoying so I'm not surprised they made some people pretty hot headed. And these guys are an embarrasment, we know it. Every single time the games are in Europe or close enough, we know who the most embarrasing fans are. People just go to these games with big bunch of guys, drink for the whole two weeks and just be them idiot selves. It's like a long festival for them. And yes, they're always on TV and we are always embarrased.

[indartwm]

Exactly, that's a bit different. I have never even heard of a fight inside a hockey arena or right next to it. I think that's good, because there are kids and it's a sport and you should be able to go and see a game in teh opponent's arena and not be threatend by violence.

[MeatteCen]

I think that's from a documentary, I recall this thing happening. It's also a known fact, that lots of extreme right wingers have joined the ranks of hooligans, including some seriously dangerous individuals.

I also remember this other documentary about the German World Cup that was just held (2006) and there were these English fans who were into rioting, so they tried to get a fight going on with the Germans from pubs. It was hilarious because it didn't go down heavy but this one guys was trying to get everyone fired up "COME ON! WE'RE ENGLISH AND THEY'RE ****ING JERRIES!" and it had all this emotion from WWII and it's like we're battling it out again and these German bastards are going to get it.

It was hilarious because nothing went down adn these guys were really just middle aged drunk ******. But obviously not their first time doing this kind of stuff.

[majestictwelve]

Right, but they weren't the "taunting" ones. they were recognized as people who snuck into Germany because they weren't allowed to travel (known hoolies).

[bUqLfXRI]

violent sports were invented to channel this kind of testosterone in a postive way

I saw Korean riot, right in front of my office, a pitched battle

[roundman]

Well that's a fight alright, more tense and technical than most, but it still lacks the real fight moves like eye gouging and stuff

But that already had fish hooking, head butts and everything. Pretty violent.

[tretcheenia]

I don't know. Some dudes fighting. Seemed pretty dangerous though. That one wasn't appealing to me, even when it was arranged and no one got badly hurt. It was kind of violent in a way that I don't like it anymore.

[freeringtonesioo]

Originally posted by Eli
What kind of idiocy is this? This. Is. SPARTA!!!!

[Thigmaswams]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
violent sports were invented to channel this kind of testosterone in a postive way How do you explain them Australian birds fighting at the Cronulla beach riots then, eh?

[Ndptbudd]

Graphic or gratuitous violence is not allowed. If your video shows someone getting hurt, attacked, or humiliated, don't post it.

So how do these clips stay on U-tube?

[WumibBesowe]

Well I got to get me a place up there!!!


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