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Old 06-29-2007, 07:26 PM   #1
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Default The loudness war or how the music industry is butchering CD sound quality
i've seen this too and this makes a great deal of sense.

music today sounds much more bland
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Old 06-29-2007, 08:23 PM   #2
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this isnt new...I can point all the way back to 1990 for
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Old 06-29-2007, 08:23 PM   #3
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wow, that is a bizarre, very bizarre tripple post.
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Old 06-29-2007, 08:31 PM   #4
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Originally posted by MRT144
this isnt new...I can point all the way back to 1990 for this You can say that again.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:19 PM   #5
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Which companies are doing this?
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:41 PM   #6
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I've got Peter Gabriel CDs from the 80s. I always have to turn the volume up as the track is so much quieter than my other CDs.

Anecdotes.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:36 PM   #7
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How can I find out which companies do this, and which don't?
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:39 PM   #8
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Originally posted by Caligastia
How can I find out which companies do this, and which don't? I'm not sure. I'm trying to find out.

I heard that a guy tried to return 700$ worth of CD's to Sony BMG, because they all had the problem I'm talking about. Surprisingly, it would seem that Sony accepted.

That said, its probably not a company policy at Sony to compress the music. Its the record producers and the artists themselves who are the major culprits.
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Old 06-30-2007, 12:01 AM   #9
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Of course. There are some good, honest people left Not anti-American scum like you MP3's are ripped from CD's anyway...
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:26 AM   #10
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When you steal music, you make the baby Jesus cry
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:34 AM   #11
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Dylan's great. He stands up to record companies, is in awe of Paul McCartney and hates his fawning admirers.
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:50 AM   #12
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Haven't you read his biography? He spends a great deal of time slagging off his worshippers and talking about his attempts to get away from them.
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:54 AM   #13
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Step over this line. I double-dog dare you.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:21 AM   #14
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
A lot of people slammed Bob Dylan for telling you it was crap.
My, how the worm has turned. He made it into a vinyl vs. CD issue, IIRC. And its BS, IMO. The problem is compression, not the CD technology.
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:03 AM   #15
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Is there a list of albums that have this problem?
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:23 AM   #16
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Originally posted by Bkeela
Is there a list of albums that have this problem? I haven't found a master list, but here are some examples:

- Lily Allen
Alright, Still (Regal, 2006)

This bouncy pop might sound better if it were not mastered for loudness at the expense of dynamic range.

- Iggy Pop and the Stooges
Raw Power (Columbia, 1997)

Remixed by Pop in 1997, this remains among "the loudest CDs ever made".

- Red Hot Chili Peppers
Californication (Warner, 1999)

Criticised for excessive compression and distortion. Subject of an online petition calling for a reissue.

- Oasis
(What's the Story) Morning Glory (Creation, 1995)

Exceptionally loud album that forced others to compete in volume.

- Rush
Vapor Trails (Warner, 2002)

"I can't get into this album at all, it lacks clarity, the songs sound the same," says one user review on Amazon. The overloud mastering may be to blame for this perception.

- Paul Simon
Surprise (Warner, 2006)

Even long-established folk stars are competing in the loudness wars, to the detriment of the sound quality.

- Christina Aguilera - Back to Basics

- Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not

- The Flaming Lips - At War with the Mystics

- Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf

- Santana - Supernatural

- Sting - Brand New Day

- Paul McCartney - Memory Almost Full
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Old 06-30-2007, 06:55 PM   #17
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Compression is NOT the problem
During compression, if you're using the right program, you can see the fluxuation in WAV quality that's on the CD.
Compression can only compress what exists.
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Old 06-30-2007, 07:33 PM   #18
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Compression is NOT the problem
During compression, if you're using the right program, you can see the fluxuation in WAV quality that's on the CD.
Compression can only compress what exists. We're not talking about the same thing here. For audio engineers and record producers, compression is what the guy describes in the movie I posted. We're talking about audio level or dynamic range compression. Its not the same thing as data compression.
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Old 06-30-2007, 07:47 PM   #19
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I also mixed them up when I started reading on this stuff
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:13 AM   #20
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Originally posted by nostromo
Maybe. After all, humans can't help but feel that louder=better sounding. If a song is a bit louder than another song, you'll think it sounds better. The same is true with stereo components. If a CD player is a tiny bit louder than another one, you'll think it sounds better.

You know, this suggests something
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