If You Expect The Unexpected, Is It Really Unexpected?
 

No

I expected a poll about a somewhat inane topic to be posted, but didn't expect it to be about whether it was expected or not. And also I assumed it would be on a day Perfection had been banned from CFC. But that would be expected, so I really don't know how to answer.

They have only proven that it exists and what causes it by observing it. It is the observation that makes it real.

but not without observing them

No. The question is, does it make a sound?

Besides, the answer Berkeley gave was that God is there to observe it, thus it will. How does God observe? I have no idea.

Originally posted by Japher
but not without observing them That is only for us Humans. Unless one assumes that there is no universe without sentience to observe it, sound exists whether it's being observed or not.

Unless one assumes that there is no universe without sentience to observe it, sound exists whether it's being observed or not. That is what Berkeley said...

Originally posted by Japher


That is what Berkeley said... And I believe Berkeley is dead wrong. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/smile.gif

Originally posted by Japher
That is not the question, it is a caveat, or condition of the question. The question is "does it make a sound/noise" not "did anyone hear it". http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...milies/lol.gif

The question is, "If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?". You're the one trying to strip away relevent portions of the question and address another question entirely.

The answer to that question is... We can observe the event without hearing it, and depending on the definition of "sound" it may or may not make one. If "sound" is defined as a vibration transmitted through an elastic solid, liquid, or gas at frequencies generally audible to the human ear... then yes, it makes a sound. If "sound" is defined as the mind's interpretation of the impulses triggered by those waves impacting the eardrum... then no, it doesn't make a sound.

In either case, the "God" answer is bogus.

In the question we are given the condition that "no one is there to hear it", thus we are aware that a direct observation cannot be made of the event. Technically, God, if He/She/It exists, is "someone", and so the question would be inapplicable as long as God were there to hear it. If God does not "hear" in the same manner which humans do, then you're back to the same issue as without God. It is up to the definition of "sound" to determine the answer.