I knew I was getting jabbed!

What is it with you East Coast women? It seems you\'re all Francophiles (maybe Francophonophiles?)

I\'m boycotting French wine and cheeses and I\'m about to give up on German cars too - that\'s right - just forget about me buying that new Mercedes-Benz SL500 this year. Why buy French wine at all when the best wine in the world is grown and vinted here in California?

Exit,

As to those Ukranian women - they sure look good today but in 40 years?

\"but with all due respect, you can kiss my butt.\"

Let\'s not go mixing fun with politics. You\'d let me kiss you anywhere I wanted no matter what my politics were.

I\'m all for giving away birth control information and devices but when the US does that we\'re accused of being \"genocidal.\" Besides, some one else has to take responsibility for using it. And let\'s not get into how self-serving the Roman Catholic Church\'s policy opposing birth control is.

My politics may be \"abysmal\" in your opinion, but my science and knowledge of human nature are right-on. My predictions will come about, it\'s a simple extrapolation of well-understood population dynamics. Malthus was right.

As to pain and misery in the Third World, we haven\'t seen anything yet - that\'s the point. My concern is for my children and grandchildren - how do we spare them the pain and misery and leaving them the best world possible. Having children inspires taking the long view and thinking hard about responsibility.

And I can claim that I\'ve practiced Zero Population Growth even though I\'ve sired 5 children and support(ed) them all. It took three wives so four adults resulted in 5 kids. BUT, two of those kids were twins, a natural occurance so I figure I netted out.

Why is it that all the sexy women are Democrats? I\'ve seldom meet a sexy Republican woman.

In fact, if one deducts immigrants and their decendents, over the last about 20 years, the US population has been stable. In other words, we\'ve balanced our growth and it is only because of immigration that our population has increased.

WE are not overrunning the world, its the Third World populations.

Disclaimer

Amen FTR!

Franki,

I wish California had such a problem!

I realize that it does offer challenges to a society to be shrinking and growing older on average. Yet it will offer opportunities to clean out slums, reclaim forests and other wild lands, and to devote more resources to the children that you do have. OK, maybe not many slums in Germany!

Here in Silicon Valley, the schools are starved for funding and crowded, the roads are packed, and people are rude to each other since the civic glue has loosened, mostly because of massive immigration. On the other hand, the swirl of cultures is fascinating and stimulating and you can find any sort of cuisine (other than cannibal) offered anywhere on the planet. Some of the world\'s best and brightest come here to make their fortunes. One high school educated American lady summed it up - \"America is the best place in the world to live - as long as you\'re not an American!\" She was on the losing end of immigration.

Some analysts have attributed WWI to the massive population explosion Germany saw under Bismarck (and a similar one in France). We\'re seeing the start of similar or worst population-driven hostilities in the Middle East.

Red,

I bet if I translated your recipe from French, I would be insulted. Can you be more direct?

\"WE=human beings\"

Typical girl-think. Americans have responsibility for our piece of territory and the people who live here. If \"THEY\" screw up their land by overpopulating it or making the wrong choices, it can\'t be our responsibility because we don\'t tell them what to do. Accountablity can not be separated from authority.

The whole notion of the disappearance of the nation-state was baloney. Somebody has to be responsible for the land and its care. Population control starts with the people.

One could say that the US is assisting making a future population crash in Egypt worst and more horrific than it would otherwise be. The longer we feed them, the more mouths there will be to feed and the hungrier everyone there will be when the US food is cut off or otherwise reaches it limits. We\'re like a facilitator for an alcoholic - we keep feed them drinks until they hit rock bottom. The sooner they start to feel the pain of overpopulation the sooner they\'ll start to control it.

Needless to say, the US has to regain control of its own borders. The huge wave of immigrants legal and otherwise has served only special interests in the US - immigrants as voters for the Democratic Party, immigrants as cheaper workers for big business, immigrants as household servants for the middle and upper classes. I admire them as individuals but recognize the danger as a matter of policy.