Immigration is one thing. Assimilation is another.
How about we reduce the number of hyphenated Americans and increase the number of Americans. In other words.

SPEAK ENGLISH ! ! !

A large number of immigrants today don\'t give a ratsass about America. Therein lies a problem. And neither do the politicians. All they see is more votes and more recipients of big government largesse.

Please don\'t misunderstand. I know waves of immigrants built this country and their are plenty of newly arrived immigrants that I like very much. Just sometimes I feel like were being overwhelmed by those that don\'t have the love for this country that their predecessors did.

Funny how a topic that started talking about widespread food shortages and future mass starvation turned into \"My 5 favorite foods\" lists.

Only to think about cannabalism is really disgusting. [img]/ubbthreads/images/styles/World/icons/frown.gif[/img]

from FullTiltRedhead:
\"I don\'t suggest linking arms and swaying to Kumbayah, but I do think it\'s everyone\'s personal responsibility to avoid breeding like rabbits. Including us in the US.\"

Actually we need a whole lot more kids in this part of the world. In Germany for example population will decrease from 85million now to 65million people in 2050. (included a moderate immigration) It won\'t be very different in other western countries. Because people grow older and the \"babyboom generation\" decided to have less kids than their parents (anti-conception etc.) we are now stuck with this problem.

people i heard one time that 80% of the world\'s resources are consumed by 20% of the world\'s population. Now if that is true (seems like it sometimes if you look at the abbudances we have in western world) then how is the earth gonna support the same standard of living in the US (or any other modern western civilation) for the rest of the world? The bottom line is the world is one F_CKED place. Always has been, and I don\'t see it changing. Slavery, the Holocaust, Atomic warfare, prospects of genetic engineering, terrorism, etc. Hell look at the middle east. No offense to anyone but I think GOD flushed the toliet on the middle east. Everytime that christian\'s children fund commercial comes on I can\'t bear to watch it. As soon as I graduate from college and get a real job I am gonna sprosner a couple of kids, I know that won\'t change the world but it has to start somewhere......Hell maybe the big asteriod will come soon and make everything right........

\"Life ain\'t fair\" -- One Big F_cking understatement.

Whitehall,

\"Here in Silicon Valley, the schools are starved for funding and crowded, the roads are packed, and people are rude to each other since the civic glue has loosened, mostly because of massive immigration.\"

We have pretty much the same problems here in the city\'s, but the biggest problem here is the demographical problem of the population growing older and decreasing. How to fund for these people\'s \"old-age-pensions\" and their healthcare?

\"\"America is the best place in the world to live - as long as you\'re not an American!\" She was on the losing end of immigration.\"

That is one of the reasons why the American economy is (still) running much better than the european. The brightest heads in the world will go to the US AND the mexicans will come to serve as a cheap work-force. Afaik the USA understood the importance of immigration to keep their society alive very early. Immigration is in the first place a great opportunity and not a threat. Unfortunately people are only slowly acknowledging that.

!!!!!!EMBRACE FREEDOM, LIBERTY, THE RULE OF LAW, AND MARKET ECONOMICS NOW OR DIE!!!!!!!!

You (also) meant the ukranian stripper-girls with that, right?

RscuRngr is right! Most of those organizations spend 70% or more of all collected moneys for administrative costs. That\'s true of almost all the save the world groups, including environmental, feed the hungry, world peace etc. Very little gets to those who really need it.

There are several issues I don\'t see mentioned. We are one of, if not the richest nation in the world. The elite drive their big cars and live in fancy homes while children go hungry within a couple of miles. Perfectly good food is thrown away by the ton on a daily basis. One charitable organization locally has started an arrangement with many local resturaunts to collect the food that would otherwise end up in the dumpster. They then serve it to needy families. Surprisingly, many of the large chains are prohibited by corporate policy from participating. Managers have been fired for giving away left-over food at the end of the day. Charity begins at home, folks. We need to feed, shelter and educate our own children first.

At the same time, we need to help educate the people in other countries about birth control, AIDS awareness, nutrition, farming techniques, irrigation and hygene. We cannot feed the entire world ourselves but we can help them learn to feed themselves in large part.

!!!!!!EMBRACE CAPITALISM NOW OR DIE!!!!!!!!

...WE are not overrunning the world, its the Third World populations...

If I may paraphrase. We are not overrunning the world. The world is overrunning us.

I wish there were mandatory programs for non-English speaking immigrants to the US in which they\'d be indoctrinated with the kind of general US history and propaganda we all grew up on, and taught basic English, for which they would have to pass a test before entering, even as an immgrant. I do agree with Exit - we\'re a nation of immigrants, but more effort was made in previous waves of immigrants to assimilate - the lack of assimilation is the problem.


Having said that - what are the immigrants supposed to assimilate? We\'ve become so laissez faire we seem to have no national identity anymore except as regards our actions overseas. Internally, we\'re this swarming mass of hyphenated whatyoumaycall\'ems ... To have English declared as our national language (do you believe there\'s debate about this??) would be a step in the right direction.

We have no national identity anymore, it seems to me. We\'re just this hodgepodge of people crammed together, no language in common, no values in common. I don\'t like it. I envy other countries sometimes. It *means* something to be a German or a Brit ... it doesn\'t mean sh*t anymore to be an American, it seems to me, and I hate it. All the men in my entire family on both sides served in the armed forces - some made careers of it, some only did four years, but no one neglected service to his country -- some of my female cousins also served -- and the place is swarming with folks who have no investment, much less blood ties to the land. It\'s very sad to me.

rambling, sorry, it\'s a subject that bothers me

From what I have read, *currently* we grow MORE food than is needed-there need be NO starving people. The distribution infrastructure is the problem (that and greedy people in power). The article I read pointed out that in many of the areas where famine was occuring, more than enough food was already in thecountries (in the major cities and ports of entry) rotting in werehouses because there were no roads that could be used to move it into the areas where people were starving. In areas where food could be air dropped, local strongmen were sending out their private armies to collect all of the food, then forcing the local populace to pay for the food.

But YES I agree, humans are infesting and overrunning the world forcing out other species.

Jim

...Exit,

As to those Ukranian women - they sure look good today but in 40 years? ...

In 40 years I\"ll be dead.

Food Doom and Gloom
 

Did a little research on world food and population growth. Depressing.

Ever wondered why Egypt gave up on beating Israel? The answer is they are in a terrible population explosion and they can\'t feed themselves and they have no foreign exchange to buy food. The US government now GIVES them a third of their population\'s dietary needs every year. Yet, their population will double in 31 years. Saudi Arabia is in a similar place except they have oil and can buy on the open market. However, their per capita income is half what it was in the 80\'s and their population will double in 23 years. About 40% of the population in Arab countries are below age 15 so the pressures are just beginning. Iraq has similar demographics and needs to import food too.

Scary. I hate to see the US resort to using food as a weapon but that\'s what\'s going to happen. We product 38% of the grains in international trade and have unused capacity yet. Someday, even that won\'t be enough. In the mean time, today\'s Haiti is the prototype for the Third World - overpopulation and ecological disaster then collapse for those who couldn\'t escape.

Somebody show me the bright side.

I happen to work across the street from one of the very few cemetaries in the US that holds the graves of true cannabals. Surviving members of the Donner Party were buried here in San Jose in Oak Hill.

It will come to cannabalism, certainly, but that is not a solution. Should cannabalism become prevalent, people will cut back on raising children - they are the preferred cut, BTW, like veal. Why make an investment by feeding kids if someone stronger is just going to steal them and eat them? Thank goodness chickens can\'t think! Besides, it\'s just not a thermodynamically sound proposition.

The rule of thumb during hard times is that just about everyone will steal, one in ten will murder for food, and one in a hundred will eat people.

Maybe Red has a recipe for roast kid for us?

Whitehall,

As we grow the population beyond the point at which the world\'s grain supplies can sustain us all, we need only look to the third world and say, \"Let them eat meat!\". That is, provided they can overcome the aversion we humans (profess to) have to cannibalism.

As sick and twisted as this sounds, don\'t even try to fool yourself into thinking that this is not a possibility. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and starving people have reached this level of desperation before. Probably far more often than our \"civilized\" history books care to admit.

I don\'t endorse cannibalism, but I don\'t think it takes a Nostradamus to forsee that in a situation where there is no food, and thousands of starving people, the strong will prey upon the weak in order to survive.

Kind of a grim \"bright side\", granted.

Oscar

If immigration consisted of Eastern European females exclusively. I\'d be a happy man.

\"their are plenty of newly arrived immigrants that I like very much.\"

LOL ......

ts ts ts .. shame on y\'all!

Yes, exactly -- I\'m sick to death of being treated like a foreigner in my own damn country.

But the food is the good part, that\'s for sure. I\'m completely spoiled as far as that goes in this area. Within a 5 mile radius there\'s excellent Thai, Vietnamese, Ethiopian, Indian, Peruvian (the BEST chicken), El Salvadorean ... it\'s food paradise.

If the waiters could just understand me when I ask if a salad comes with the meal ...