[valiumnopresc]

Those who are for their people must go.....as it happen in Iraq......their people had power, phone, schools, food, water, jobs and so on.....and their women were able to walk on the streets in safety at night time.......till the US decided to go in and LIBERATED THEM.
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Sixteen Things Libya Will Never See Again..
Global Research, October 25, 2011
disinfo.com


1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
3. Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
8. If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
12. A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.
15. 25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

[jenilopaz]

Those who are for their people must go.....as it happen in Iraq......their people had power, phone, schools, food, water, jobs and so on.....and their women were able to walk on the streets in safety at night time.......till the US decided to go in and LIBERATED THEM.
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Sixteen Things Libya Will Never See Again..
Global Research, October 25, 2011
disinfo.com


1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
3. Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
8. If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
12. A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.
15. 25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

So who does the actual work to pay for all of those free benefits?

[Podosinovik]

So who does the actual work to pay for all of those free benefits?

Oil export profits, I presume.

[jenilopaz]

Oil export profits, I presume.

Oh yeah, that's right... Libya was actually in a position to sell something of value and fund national programs that way.

I've been living here so long that I tend to forget there are alternatives to deficit spending.

[ibiDb4uu]

So who does the actual work to pay for all of those free benefits?

We did, with high gas prices...

but now all is better,

Now they will all have to work for low wages, pay taxes, but don't fret... WE will still get the benefit of paying high gas prices

it's a win-win for TPTB

[gSjQEEmq]

Where can all this be validated?

I would like to see sources.

The OP links back to a person called saya on disinfo.com. I keep hearing this, and it would not surprise me, but all I see is blog posts, and anon people as sources.

[Bobdilan]

Where can all this be validated?

I would like to see sources.

The OP links back to a person called saya on disinfo.com. I keep hearing this, and it would not surprise me, but all I see is blog posts, and anon people as sources.

Yeah, i would like to see one too. I don't disbelieve it. I heard the same thing many times but never a good link. I guess I'll do some digging. I'll throw it on top of the "research to do list"

[Bobdilan]

A couple links:

http://www.dailynews.lk/2011/10/22/fea02.asp :


"Gaddafi began to use the [oil] revenues thus generated to benefit the people. An attempt was made to redistribute the national wealth. Subsidies were considered the most effective way to do so, and food, housing, fuel, healthcare and education were either free or heavily subsided.
Under the feudal regime, literacy had been an astonishingly 10 percent - one of the lowest in the world. Within four decades, this rocketed to 90 percent, one of the highest in the Arab world. Life expectancy was increased by 20 years to 77 years, just one year short of that of the USA. "



http://newamericamedia.org/2011/10/v...ive-legacy.php :

"Gaddafi's regime, though denigrated by the West, created the highest standard of living in Africa, with public health care, financial assistance for families, university scholarships, a jobs program and benefits that the Occupy Wall Street protesters in New York and London can only dream of."

[Podosinovik]

Where can all this be validated?

I would like to see sources.

The OP links back to a person called saya on disinfo.com. I keep hearing this, and it would not surprise me, but all I see is blog posts, and anon people as sources.

This is a good point. Wiki sort of corroborates the information, although in not quite so glowing terms.

Libya enjoys large natural resources,[74] which Gaddafi utilized to help develop the country. Under Gaddafi's jamahiriya direct democracy system,[75] the country's literacy rate rose from 10% to 90%, life expectancy rose from 57 to 77 years, equal rights were established for women and black people, employment opportunities were established for migrant workers, and welfare systems were introduced that allowed access to free education, free healthcare, and financial assistance for housing. The Great Manmade River was also built to allow free access to fresh water across large parts of the country.[76] In addition, financial support was provided for university scholarships and employment programs.[77] The country was developed without taking any foreign loans. As a result, Libya was debt-free under Gaddafi's regime.[15]
Despite his role in developing the country,[76][15] critics have accused Gaddafi of concentrating a large part of the country's high gross domestic product on his family and his elites, who allegedly amassed vast fortunes.[74] Many of the business enterprises were allegedly controlled by Gaddafi and his family.[78] Despite the regime providing financial assistance for housing,[76] segments of the population continued to live in poverty, particularly in the eastern parts of the country.[79][80]
When the rising international oil prices began to raise Gaddafi's revenues in the 1970s, Gaddafi spent much of the revenues on arms purchases and on sponsoring his political projects abroad.[81] Gaddafi's relatives adopted lavish lifestyles, including luxurious homes, Hollywood film investments and private parties with American pop stars.[82][83]
The Economy of Libya was centrally planned and followed Gaddafi's socialist ideals. It benefited greatly from revenues from the petroleum sector, which contributed most export earnings and 30% of its GDP. These oil revenues, combined with a small population and by far Africa's highest Education Index gave Libya the highest nominal GDP per capita in Africa. Between 2000 and 2011, Libya recorded favourable growth rates with an estimated 10.6 percent growth of GDP in 2010, the highest of any state in Africa. Gaddafi had promised "a home for all Libyans" and during his rule, new residential areas rose in empty Saharan regions. Entire populations living in mud-brick caravan towns were moved into modern homes with running water, electricity, and satellite TV.[10] A leaked diplomatic cable describes Libyan economy as "a kleptocracy in which the government – either the al-Gaddafi family itself or its close political allies – has a direct stake in anything worth buying, selling or owning".[24]
At the time Gaddafi died, some of the worst economic conditions were in the eastern parts of the state.[79][80] The sewage facilities in Banghazi were over forty years old, and untreated sewage flowed into ground and coast.[14] 97% of urban dwellers have access to "improved sanitation facilities" in Libya, this was 2% points lower than the OECD average, or 21% points above the world average.[84] In the first fifteen years of Gaddafi rule, the number of doctors per capita increased by seven times, with the number of hospital beds increasing by three times.[85] During Gaddafi's rule, infant mortality rates went from 125 per 1000 live births, about average for Africa at the time, to 15 per 1000, the best rate in Africa.[86] Libyans who could afford it often had to seek medical care in neighboring countries such as Tunisia and Egypt because of lack of decent medical care in Libya.[80][87]
Libyans have described the Great Manmade River, built under Gaddafi's regime, as the "Eighth Wonder of the World".[88] Gaddafi also initiated the Libyan National Telescope Project, costing about 10 million euros.[89]
On 4 March 2008 Gaddafi announced his intention to dissolve the country's existing administrative structure and disburse oil revenue directly to the people. The plan included abolishing all ministries; except those of defence, internal security, and foreign affairs, and departments implementing strategic projects.[90] In 2009, Gaddafi personally told government officials that Libya would soon experience a "new political period" and would have elections for important positions such as minister-level roles and the National Security Advisor position (a Prime Minister equivalent). He also promised to include international monitors to ensure fair elections. His speech was said to have caused quite a stir.[91]

[Bobdilan]

This is interesting. he calls Obama a Kenyan, and said since Obama is a Muslim he thought that he would call out Israel on their WMDs, but he must have thought of Kennedy who was going to do it but was killed by Israel.

[Bobdilan]

Some deeper reading would be his "green book" Where he lays out his political philosophy. you can find it here.http://web.archive.org/web/201008201...744/readgb.htm

geocities. jesus. I was in 6th grade, when I fist discovered the internet. and geocities was already there.

[Bobdilan]

Santa is right, wiki does corroberate alot of the story of gaddafi being benevolent. Though him being a terrorist and despot is the main idea they try to get across.

[Soolfelpecelf]

Some deeper reading would be his "green book" Where he lays out his political philosophy. you can find it here.http://web.archive.org/web/201008201...744/readgb.htm

geocities. jesus. I was in 6th grade, when I fist discovered the internet. and geocities was already there.

You just made me feel real old.

[Bobdilan]

not so sure about this link, but... http://www.bestarticleworld.com/2010...m-gaddafi.html

"Gaddafi declared Libya a socialist state. He declared that common people would get education, health and housing facilities free of charge. The multinational's oil companies were nationalised and so were properties owned by Italian capitalists. He granted women more freedom and rights. The U.S. military air-base in Libya was dismantled."

"Gaddafi supported the Palestinian cause whole-heartedly. He stood for Arab-unity and was a staunch Arab-nationalist. He was an enemy of imperialism and supported the national liberation movements throughout the world. He extended support to liberation movements in Jordan, in Morrocco, in Ireland and in Philippines. He was working and championing the cause of Arab nationalism at a time when Arab states, one after the other, were surrendering to the U.S.A. and Israel and were accepting peace dictated by them"

And another tidbit from a very biased article: http://www.truth-out.org/history-us-...continues68033

"Upon seizing power nearly 42 years ago, Gaddafi nationalized Libya's foreign-controlled oil industry and ordered the closure of the Wheelus Air Base, one of the largest US facilities in the world. "(Sound familiar?)" Despite this antagonism, Gaddafi's anti-Communism allowed for some initial, cautious optimism from the United States about the new regime, but diplomatic relations were downgraded in 1973 and were formally broken eight years later.
Under Gaddafi's rule, Libya made impressive, if uneven, gains in health care, education, housing, the rights of women and basic social services. His brand of Islamic socialism, combined with the country's relatively small population and large oil reserves, made Libya one of the more prosperous and egalitarian societies in the Middle East,"

[HagsPusia]

Lybia will become Madagascar in a few short years

Kaddafi will be vernerated as a Saint when the people get a taste of what has been visted upon them

[Bobdilan]

Ok, I found this too, never heard this before. interesting. http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category...es/72575/print

"It was Gaddafi’s Libya that offered all of Africa its first revolution in modern times – connecting the entire continent by telephone, television, radio broadcasting and several other technological applications such as telemedicine and distance teaching. And thanks to the WMAX radio bridge, a low cost connection was made available across the continent, including in rural areas.

It began in 1992, when 45 African nations established RASCOM (Regional African Satellite Communication Organization) so that Africa would have its own satellite and slash communication costs in the continent. This was a time when phone calls to and from Africa were the most expensive in the world because of the annual US$500 million fee pocketed by Europe for the use of its satellites like Intelsat for phone conversations, including those within the same country.

An African satellite only cost a onetime payment of US$400 million and the continent no longer had to pay a US$500 million annual lease. Which banker wouldn’t finance such a project? But the problem remained – how can slaves, seeking to free themselves from their master’s exploitation ask the master’s help to achieve that freedom? Not surprisingly, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the USA, Europe only made vague promises for 14 years. Gaddafi put an end to these futile pleas to the western ‘benefactors’ with their exorbitant interest rates. The Libyan guide put US$300 million on the table; the African Development Bank added US$50 million more and the West African Development Bank a further US$27 million – and that’s how Africa got its first communications satellite on 26 December 2007.

China and Russia followed suit and shared their technology and helped launch satellites for South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Algeria and a second African satellite was launched in July 2010. The first totally indigenously built satellite and manufactured on African soil, in Algeria, is set for 2020. This satellite is aimed at competing with the best in the world, but at ten times less the cost, a real challenge."

[Markdogas]

but comrade, our benevolent overlord John F Kennedy said, "ask not what government can do for you, but what you can do for government." And this is foudning principle of our great society! The individual must sacrifice for the state, so that the state can exist in perpetuity, while the individual, like biological cells to the organism, die off....long live the state!

[Bobdilan]

but comrade, our benevolent overlord John F Kennedy said, "ask not what government can do for you, but what you can do for government." And this is foudning principle of our great society! The individual must sacrifice for the state, so that the state can exist in perpetuity, while the individual, like biological cells to the organism, die off....long live the state!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting this guy on a pedestal per se. It's just that I hear constantly on the MSM, and consequently from other people that he was a horrible tyrant and blood thirsty terrorist that basically enslaved his people. When he did more for them than anyone else. His death is celebrated like it is some kind of sports victory, death should never be celebrated. Especially when its someone that seemed to actually do some good, regardless of political and economic philosophies. I just wanted to do a little digging to get some of the other side of the story and back up some of these "facts" that have been posted with very shady links. this combined with other posts should paint a more realistic picture. Combine this with the fact that Libya did not have a Rothchild controlled central bank, and nationalized it's vast reserves of light sweet crude oil. We have all also seen the pictures of the "rebels" in their immaculately clean uniforms and brand new weapons that seem to have never been fired. Then combine that with the plane that he allegedly destroyed that may have been carrying American MPs that had evidence of shady shit going on with the American government, and the whole WMD card that is always played when we want someone destroyed.

[DenisMoor]

I heard a lot of this information on the Alex Jones show. He did an interview with Cynthia McKinney from Libya shortly after they started doing air strikes. In the interview she talked about many of the things in the OP article.

It really is a shame and makes me truly sad that a decent leader, who improved the lives of his people gets killed and his country destroyed by the evil empire.

[valiumnopresc]

Many of their people are "happy" now that their "dictator" has been killed......and many more will be "sorry" later on that their "father" has been killed..............Obama and Clinton must be having a ball.

I never go by what people say but rather by what people do......to me he was doing good, so that he was good......but of course ......as a father he must, once in a while, raise his hand.

If his people didn't wanted him in power for 42 years he then would not have been in power for 42 years.....the same as Castro in Cuba and as it will happen in Venezuela with Chavez......"Dictators" are made and not born.
The US has chosen the Zionist as their dictator........live with it.......freaking idiots.