[hhynmtrxcp]

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service issued a final rule recently revising the U.S. regulations governing implementation of CITES in the USA.

http://www.fws.gov/policy/library/07-3960.pdf

The new regulations will be in effect next week.

If we thought there was a lot of plant material coming in dying in holding areas or slated to be incinerated before because of people attempting to circumvent the system... wait until the new regulations are in place and being enforced.

It's 94 pages long and is a good read but pretty much spells it out. Sad that it has come to this. I would have preferred education and personal responsibility over more government regulation.

[abOfU9nJ]

better make some calls.

[Clolmemaexata]

Can someone please give a "book report" for what it says.

[hhynmtrxcp]

I have a personal friend, like me, who has all his ducks in a row in the permit department. He could import and export legally. Last year he ordered plants from an individual who claimed to have all of his ducks in a row. Evidently the sender told some untruths to be able to sell to my friend. The seller chose to label the box he was shipping to my friend as crafts. Willful and intentional mislabeling of boxes has become common practice as many slipped through in the past. Although my friend was innocent and had the appropriate paperwork on his end, it was a big mess costing him around $7,500. I can put you in contact with him for the details if you would like, it's really a crying shame because he was legitimate... his seller wasn't. There was another friend of mine who also got nailed. His order of seeds was shipped to him disguised as a wreath. The seller had laced the seeds throughout the twisted bramble of a decorative door wreath but had described the contents appropriately on the customs documents. I thought that was rather creative. Total cost to that friend was about $4,500 in legal fees but that friend was able to retain his import and export privileges.

The last time I placed an order for plants, I got a call from the USDA. They stated they were detaining my order for a bit. They detained it so they could call in a specialist to match up the plants in the box with the list of plants that had been declared as having been inspected by the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service's list that accompanied my order. I asked the guy to please water my plants or they'd die. I think he actually did and for this I am very grateful. I received my plants a week later and only lost a few.

I must admit I'm not going to be ordering anything from anyone unless I have dealt with them before. Last thing in the world I need is somebody slipping a gift plant or two that I wouldn't have known existed to declare on my original paperwork into my order.

[hhynmtrxcp]

Sorry gonewild, I didn't see your post because I was typing. Please go to the very last page of the document and read Section 23.92. That about sums it up. We're talking major gridlock here.

[BoomBully]

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[VodsNittats]

I interpret as you do Hien - one would think so but I'm not holding my breath on it!

[hhynmtrxcp]

Not exactly.
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[BoomBully]

Plants in flasks are obvious artificially created according to this document, is it not?


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[inownsuipsy]

bastards.

[hhynmtrxcp]

Me thinks bwester just figured it out.

[hhynmtrxcp]

I thought I'd share two personal messages that are currently in my inbox. I've blocked out personally identifying information and won't be responding to either message for obvious reasons, the first individual obviously knows there are issues with CITES so I guess I'm just supposed to label the seed as vacuum dust and mail it to him/her??? Forget that I just planted these plants and that they were a gift and that I don't even know if they'll survive to bloom next spring or not...

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[vvxtiopmx]

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[inownsuipsy]

Yeah... Lauren, we dont invade others private space.
I'm glad you're here, BTW. your the shit.

[hhynmtrxcp]

Incredibly, I received those two PMs today after I started this thread. What timing.

I don't want any one of us hurt. My one friend has little kids and a wife who has some serious on going health issues that they struggle to deal with as it is. That $7,500 probably meant a second mortgage on their home... with little kids in the household. He had to take a plea all because of how the sender labeled the shipment.

And kentuckiense, you are welcome to my password since you're an Admin. Sorry, I didn't know that. I've nothing in my personal messages that I would feel uncomfortable letting anyone read... well... except NYEric who accused me of being addicted... wouldn't want HIM seeing me trying to buy another plant from another member what with HIM calling me addicted and all in another thread. Anyway, Heather told me how to forward so I know how to do that and you're welcome to a forward of either pm complete with the personally identifiable information of the senders.

Forgot to mention that I had another private message before these two asking for whole flower heads of Cypripedium spp. claiming he/she was "collecting data on how long the polinator cells will reamin vital".

[weO1bVp1]

Maybe Matt Gore can put together a concise side by side comparison of the new and old rules???

He imports a fair amount and is probably pretty steeped in the matter.

[VFOVkZBj]

Lauren, I get a few e-mails now and then(not through this forum but through my website) from people wanting divisions who are located in other countries. Sometimes I think it's ignorance of the CITES rules on their end, and sometimes I think they're just hoping I'm ignorant.

Just because someone sends you an e-mail with a request doesn't mean you're obligated to respond. The delete key works wonders and solves many problems. If someone is harrassing you, do let the Admins. know, but I'd just suggest ignoring these folks.

[vvxtiopmx]

Yup, I got an email today from China requesting to trade for Cyp. parviflorum and Cyp. reginae seeds. I don't even grow Cyps and I'm a bit unsure as to how they got my personal email address, but I have no doubt they had good intentions. Over the past year I've gotten emails from all over the world requesting seed from the kentuckiense population I visited and photographed. They were all from people who were clearly accomplished propagators and had clear conservation interests in mind. I wish I could've helped, but the seed pods weren't mine to harvest. Just keep in mind that it is the poorly-thought-out and counter-productive "conservation" laws that are the real enemies.

[Cnbaapuy]

That's what you get, Zach, for using such a name!

[VFOVkZBj]

How come my old byline of s/h dominatrix hasn't gotten me any interesting e-mails?