GC Diesel Talk
 

I don't know where to post this since it's unsubstantiated but here goes. I was at the forums at Autoweek and somebody was claiming to see a Jeep Grand Cherokee with a diesel engine for the North American market. Seems like everybody has gone crazy over the whole subject hypothezing over what diesel engine the GC will get for the NA market. Some people say the diesel from the Liberty would go in there but I think not. I think the most likely subject is the MB diesel V6 offered in the Euro spec GC. As soon as the low sulphur fuel starts being sold and a particulate filter installed, the diesel will be good to go. I just don't see DCX investing the money in adapting and installing another diesel engine on their GC when the MB diesel V6 will do. Is there a method to my madness or what other interesting theories are out there?
M0L0TOV

My theory is WAKE UP USA. SUV's are using diesel options since 1957 and you guys keep insisting on 7 liter V8s instead.
Why the 2.8 Liter CGI engine used elsewhere wouldn't work for USA is a mystery to me, as is why disco doesn't take its CGI 2.7 into The US either, along with several other manufacturers.
Honestly, I think its all down to a matter of culture. They just wont take a diesel when petrol can give the car an image of being more powerful/sportier/more modern. One day, someone will have to hit earth and realize were in XXIst Century.

Well Superfresa, you also must realize that Americans still have a bad taste left in their mouths from diesel vehicles sold in the 80's. I'm not bashing GM but when a lot of Americans think of diesels, they think of the underpowered smokey diesel Cadillac Sevilles. Diesel engines are heavily stereotyped still and many people are unaware of the wonderful new diesel engines that are quiet and efficient.
M0L0TOV

Doesn't the GC sold in Europe have a diesel option? I could have sworn it did.

Quote, originally posted by Santeno »Doesn't the GC sold in Europe have a diesel option? I could have sworn it did.
Yes, I drove one in stick.

jeep liberty crd
a gc crd is entirely possible

Yes, what's been circulating around is DCX is going to sell the Jeep GC CRD in the states.
M0L0TOV


Modified by M0L0TOV at 10:12 PM 11/13/2005

Quote, originally posted by M0L0TOV »Yes, what's been circulating around is DCX is going to sell the Jeep GC CRD in the states.
M0L0TOV

Hopefully it isn't like the Liberty and offer an auto tranny only. http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif

I'm sure if it was offered in a diesel, it would be auto only.
M0L0TOV

A little V6 diesel in the F150.Ford makes a diesel in the LCF which would be perfect.

That's no rumor, a Grand Cherokee CRD for NA is in the works. I've seen prototypes a few times now. The engine cover says "3.0L CRD Jeep". Not sure if it will be a VM Motori or Mercedes motor.

if its badged CRD then surely its a Merc engine

Quote, originally posted by M0L0TOV »I'm sure if it was offered in a diesel, it would be auto only.
M0L0TOV
That's the problem. My brother-in-law just bought a VW Golf in diesel stick. I lot of Europeans like stick rather than auto including me. I've met up with someone that just bought the Liberty CRD and was this close not in buying it because of the auto only. A lot of diesel lovers are European. Europaens like stick more than auto.
I wanted to check out the Liberty but now I hate it because of the auto only crap. http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif

Quote, originally posted by Nath »if its badged CRD then surely its a Merc engine
...The Liberty is badged "CRD" and its a VM Motori engine...

Quote, originally posted by CD-BP »
...The Liberty is badged "CRD" and its a VM Motori engine...
From Italy... AKA Merc motor.

Quote, originally posted by Cozz »
From Italy... AKA Merc motor.
Uhh no. The motor in the NA spec Liberty CRD is VM Motori technology, not M-B. Yes, of course DCX owns M-B and controlling stake in VM Motori, but that doesnt make it a M-B motor. You are correct that the motor is built in Italy however.

Quote, originally posted by CD-BP »
Uhh no. The motor in the NA spec Liberty CRD is VM Motori technology, not M-B. Yes, of course DCX owns M-B and controlling stake in VM Motori, but that doesnt make it a M-B motor. You are correct that the motor is built in Italy however.
Uhh yes. It doesn't matter. It's owned by DCX while using common rail and other MB(DCX) pantents including the engine ECU and other parts wich came from MB.

Quote, originally posted by Cozz »
Uhh yes. It doesn't matter. It's owned by DCX while using common rail and other MB(DCX) pantents including the engine ECU and other parts wich came from MB.
The motor in the NA spec Jeep Liberty is a VM Motori built engine. Period. VM has been developing diesel motors for quite a while now....just as M-B has. Also Bosch developed the common rail system.
If you want more proof read the first question in this interview with DCX's senior manger of the diesel powertrain group:
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101031

Modified by CD-BP at 11:34 AM 11/18/2005


Modified by CD-BP at 5:19 PM 11/18/2005

Quote, originally posted by Cozz »
That's the problem. My brother-in-law just bought a VW Golf in diesel stick. I lot of Europeans like stick rather than auto including me. I've met up with someone that just bought the Liberty CRD and was this close not in buying it because of the auto only. A lot of diesel lovers are European. Europaens like stick more than auto.
I wanted to check out the Liberty but now I hate it because of the auto only crap. http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif
OMFG you cant buy a Diesel with a stick!
thats why the new diesel engine in the avensis issent selling more.. it only has a stick..
Diesel = auto... Petrol = Stick ...
(iv driven a Diesel with stick.. it sucks horse Co**s)

Quote, originally posted by CD-BP »
The motor in the NA spec Jeep Liberty is a VM Motori built engine. Period. VM has been developing diesel motors for quite a while now....just as M-B has. Also Bosch developed the common rail system.
If you want more proof read the first question in this interview with DCX's senior manger of the diesel powertrain group:
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101031

Modified by CD-BP at 11:34 AM 11/18/2005

Modified by CD-BP at 5:19 PM 11/18/2005
Bosch developed the common rail with MB. MB owned a patent or so that Bosch needed in order to sell common rail. In 95 MB tested the common rail as they owned the patent. MB in 96(-/+) gave/sold the patent to Bosch. Bosch in 97 sold Common rail to Alfa and MB. But not to MB competition.(part of the deal)
The NA based Liberty diesel isn't 100% the same as the Euro version. Things are different on the motor itself. The changes where made for the Liberty and only the Liberty by DCX. Yes, it's a VMM motor but with DCX specs- nothing more , nothing less. If you think you can drop a NA version into a Euro spec car and expecting to run right then you are dead wrong.