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attishina 06-06-2011 11:24 AM

Call your congress men and women now!
 
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=21816

This bill will force every online retailer to charge taxes on all sales whether or not that company resides in that state.

Anyone from Illinois can do it now. Bash the poo out of **** Durbin for me. Will keep an eye on this because once it is introduced, I will be calling my state representatives.


Don't know why the Federal Government needs to get involved. [thumbdown]
Amazon is building a shipping facility 12 miles down the road, and I am kind of wondering if TN will be exempt from having to pay taxes or not. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...es/unsure1.gif
At least it will be dirt cheap next day shipping.

JRixlcvF 06-06-2011 11:29 AM

Every little bit counts. I'm willing to pay a few dollars to support our ailing deficit [yes]

blankostaroe 06-06-2011 11:38 AM

You know, why not? I'm getting tired of republicans wanting to lower taxes, AND get rid of the deficit. I don't get it... sometimes you have to give a little.

attishina 06-06-2011 11:41 AM

If your state is in bad shape I guess like California, but a few hundred million won't help them out anyways. They got some hardcore financial issues that goes beyond tax revenue.
Then states like Wyoming might only get like $50. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ies/laugh1.gif

Nothing is for the Federal Government. That is why this is kind of annoying a little bit. Should be a states responsibility if they want to collect taxes or not, not the Federal Governments.

unatkot 06-06-2011 04:11 PM

Unfortunately once you are top dog you're going to be put right under the radar. Amazon has found loop holes in the system by residing their primary headquarters in one state, while having distribution centers in others. They are obviously trying to avoid sales tax as much as possible, and have gone as far as closing down facilities to avoid sales tax. They've essentially become the Wal-Mart of internet sales and are trying to undercut as much as possible to save customers a few bucks on the backside. The problem is they're going to **** it all up for everyone else.

Ad0i89Od 06-06-2011 06:20 PM

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You know, why not? I'm getting tired of republicans wanting to lower taxes, AND get rid of the deficit. I don't get it... sometimes you have to give a little.
Why do you assume if the government taxes us more it will go to paying off our deficit? I am getting tired of democrats blaming the deficit because we cut taxes. To get rid of the deficit you need to quit spending simple as that.

blankostaroe 06-06-2011 07:43 PM

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Why do you assume if the government taxes us more it will go to paying off our deficit? I am getting tired of democrats blaming the deficit because we cut taxes. To get rid of the deficit you need to quit spending simple as that.
K, tell me which programs we can cut to save $1.5 trillion dollars this year.

Centurnion 06-06-2011 07:47 PM

I'm surprised it took them this long to think of it. If it goes through I'll be buying a lot more locally, I can tell ya that.

toreesi 06-06-2011 08:22 PM

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Every little bit counts. I'm willing to pay a few dollars to support our ailing deficit [yes]
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You know, why not? I'm getting tired of republicans wanting to lower taxes, AND get rid of the deficit. I don't get it... sometimes you have to give a little.
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K, tell me which programs we can cut to save $1.5 trillion dollars this year.
Really guys? I know you are smarter than that.

Blindly taxing the people does not equal a lower deficiet it ONLY means that the government gets more money AND has yet another control on something that it has no bussiness being involved in. In order to reduce the deficiet you have to reduce spending, not increase taxes. DKM- Really? Is that a real question or flamebait?

blankostaroe 06-06-2011 08:35 PM

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Really guys? I know you are smarter than that.

Blindly taxing the people does not equal a lower deficiet it ONLY means that the government gets more money AND has yet another control on something that it has no bussiness being involved in. In order to reduce the deficiet you have to reduce spending, not increase taxes. DKM- Really? Is that a real question or flamebait?
It is a real question, people are like "CUT!", but they never have any specific programs in mind. What would you cut this year to put us into the black?

Agedprepdoock 06-06-2011 09:10 PM

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K, tell me which programs we can cut to save $1.5 trillion dollars this year.
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It's almost comical to describe the real state of affairs to the "just cut spending!" crowd. We could reduce defense and all non-defense discretionary spending to $1 (yes, one dollar) and still be running a deficit. No pay for soldiers, no VA for soldiers, no pension for soldiers, no pay for federal employees, no federal health care, no pension for federal employees, no departments of anything besides the ones that run Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Those three programs + debt interest consumed every penny of actual revenue the federal government took in last year.

Tax revenue as a % of GDP is at the lowest point since the 1930's (i.e. the tax burden is low). Basically it boils down to choosing between deficits, huge tax hikes or cutting off grandmas health care very quickly.

toreesi 06-06-2011 09:17 PM

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It is a real question, people are like "CUT!", but they never have any specific programs in mind. What would you cut this year to put us into the black?
Food Stamps, Welfare, Social Security and similar "social projects." You cant feed those who cant feed themselves when you yourself cannot put bread on the table, its so basic and simple. Also, we cannot afford our overbloated defense department, especially when we fund our DoD as if we are the same imperialists we were after WW2, but with a fraction of the "projected power" we had at the time. Once again, very simple.

There is really nothing that will "erase" the deficiet in the short term, its going to take time to pay it down. But there are plenty of unecessary programs that can be reduced or cut to lower spending. Taxing more on the other hand will cause companies to vacate the US and puts more pressure on an already war/recession weary population. Increasing taxes at this point in time will only hurt the overall economy. Lowering taxes however will give much needed breathing room in the private sector that will spur bussiness to expand/hire and will help the average joe who will then be willing to spend money.

Lower taxes, cut spending, allocate funds to eliminating debt and stop government enchroachment overall. This basic and simple "no brainer" things have been proven in the past to boost the US economy back to where it should be.

inofindy 06-06-2011 09:19 PM

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Food Stamps, Welfare, Social Security and similar "social projects." You cant feed those who cant feed themselves when you yourself cannot put bread on the table, its so basic and simple. Also, we cannot afford our overbloated defense department, especially when we fund our DoD as if we are the same imperialists we were after WW2, but with a fraction of the "projected power" we had at the time. Once again, very simple.

There is really nothing that will "erase" the deficiet in the short term, its going to take time to pay it down. But there are plenty of unecessary programs that can be reduced or cut to lower spending. Taxing more on the other hand will cause companies to vacate the US and puts more pressure on an already war/recession weary population. Increasing taxes at this point in time will only hurt the overall economy. Lowering taxes however will give much needed breathing room in the private sector that will spur bussiness to expand/hire and will help the average joe who will then be willing to spend money.

Lower taxes, cut spending, allocate funds to eliminating debt and stop government enchroachment overall. This basic and simple "no brainer" things have been proven in the past to boost the US economy back to where it should be.
Nothing like screwing over poor people! Sounds like the Republican motto.

toreesi 06-06-2011 09:22 PM

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Nothing like screwing over poor people! Sounds like the Republican motto.
Nothing like poor people or brainless drones(bleeding hearts) screwing over an enitre nation!!

And you already know Im not a republican EaG, if you have spent any time in the R&P forum, so your point is pretty much shot to hell.

inofindy 06-06-2011 09:53 PM

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Nothing like poor people or brainless drones(bleeding hearts) screwing over an enitre nation!!

And you already know Im not a republican EaG, if you have spent any time in the R&P forum, so your point is pretty much shot to hell.
I could also say that I'm a really nice person, doesn't make it true.

Yeah poor people are just screwing everyone. I feel like I'm watching fox news.

Vulkanevsel 06-06-2011 10:04 PM

Amazon argues that a Supreme Court ruling from 1992 excuses Amazon and other remote sellers from having to collect taxes in U.S. states that do not have the company's employees or warehouses operating within its borders. In addition, Amazon notes that it currently collects taxes in Kansas, Kentucky, New York, North Dakota and Washington, and that buyers in other states where taxes are not collected are to report it themselves, though they rarely do. Have any of you ever used anything you've bought online from a site that didn't charge you sales tax as an expense, business or otherwise on your personal income taxes?

If you have, but neglected to pay the taxes for those items to the state in which you reside, you've committed TAX EVASION. [yes]

In the long run, it'd just be easier to make it mandatory across all 50 states. Period. The only reason the Feds are getting involved is that until their is an umbrella approach, business like Amazon will continue to hop, and states will take advantage of it until their eyes get filled with "potential dollar signs they're losing." http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/wink1.gif

neniajany 06-06-2011 11:17 PM

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Have any of you ever used anything you've bought online from a site that didn't charge you sales tax as an expense, business or otherwise on your personal income taxes?

If you have, but neglected to pay the taxes for those items to the state in which you reside, you've committed TAX EVASION. [yes]
I was about to mention this. In the end it's taxable, one way or the other. It's either going to be sales tax, or usage tax. Either way, they're supposed to get their money. However, it's almost impossible to enforce, unless you happen to get audited and have some big ticket items.

They just want to be able to charge sales tax right from the get-go from any online retailer, just so they don't have to enforce it later themselves.

gugqgbyzlp 06-06-2011 11:27 PM

Pretty much since online shopping has been around, people have been able to avoid sales tax. I rember a box on my WI state tax forms that ask how much I've purchased online that I need to claim for sales tax, and like most people I left it blank.

I'm not against sales tax and think this "loophole" should be closed.

But just like letting the bush tax cuts expire, people will cry "tax hike"[thumbdown]

attishina 06-07-2011 02:08 AM

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Have any of you ever used anything you've bought online from a site that didn't charge you sales tax as an expense, business or otherwise on your personal income taxes?

If you have, but neglected to pay the taxes for those items to the state in which you reside, you've committed TAX EVASION. [yes]

In the long run, it'd just be easier to make it mandatory across all 50 states. Period. The only reason the Feds are getting involved is that until their is an umbrella approach, business like Amazon will continue to hop, and states will take advantage of it until their eyes get filled with "potential dollar signs they're losing." http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/wink1.gif
So a state should decide if they want to close that loop hole or not as it is a state tax loop hole, not a federal government loop hole. Some states have closed theirs, but apparently at the cost of jobs.
Im not sure all states would be behind it, as it would help them attract business and create jobs. Shoot, all states would be closing the loop hole if they wanted it that bad.
Then you get states that do charge online tax, but then exempt Amazon from tax collection like South Carolina did because the jobs were more important to them.

I wonder what tax rates would be for online retailers, at least in my state. Newegg has a distribution center in my state, but I only have to pay something like a 7.25% tax, but if I order from BestBuy, Walmart, Target, etc. I end up paying a 9.25% sales tax.
I know the 7.25% is state only, and 9.25% includes local government. Maybe Newegg got exempt from the local taxes.

JRixlcvF 06-07-2011 02:10 AM

And how much easier do we have it compared to the EU? We as Americans cry foul 10 fold in comparison. I'm getting tired of individuals as well as firms thinking solely about themselves and/or their bottom line. In retrospect, we're all delaying a potential greater depression IMHOhttp://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ies/wacko1.gif


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