[Nfvzjvcl]

Harvard Law professor Charles Nesson has now gotten involved in two more file-sharing lawsuits, including the Jammie Thomas retrial in Minnesota. But it's in the other, lesser-known case, that Nesson and a former student demand the RIAA pay back all $100 million it has collected in settlement money over the years. full story: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...ring-cases.ars


Give it your best shot buddy, those pocket fillers should indeed pay back.

[PZXjoe]

I can see this going backwards and forwards for the next 10 years.

[Nfvzjvcl]

If nobody does anything, then what? Sure it is not going to be over anytime soon, but resistance is required and above all, the longer we fight, the more chances we have to stop this madness.

[PZXjoe]

Whoever has deeper pockets will win. That's capitalism for you.

[Nfvzjvcl]

Whoever has deeper pockets will win. That's capitalism for you.

So you are saying, don't fight it it's a loss anyway? [thumbdown]

[PZXjoe]

When the opposition already has the politicians on their accounts, it's a pretty uphill struggle. Then even if they (RIAA) lose, they will take it to another judge, rinse and repeat ad infinitum until one runs out of money.

[brulpcoersero]

Runs out of money?

Possible scenario: This lawyer donates his time to the case for free or nearly free, then has like minded students continue the case for credit at the college.

Lets see how the Riaa likes fighting for years (and spending millions) against young, energetic and motivated Harvard lawyers (in training) who are working basically for free.

I also think its telling that the article claims that Harvard almost uniquely amongst colleges, has never received any Prelitigation letters from the Riaa. I think they didnt want to stir up that hornets nest, but now they have, anyway.

And I am sure the Electronic frontier foundation and its lawyers will be in there making trouble, too. [yes]

[VIAGRA-]

Possible scenario: This lawyer donates his time to the case for free or nearly free, then has like minded students continue the case for credit at the college.

not to mention those students will kill to have such a case on their resume with a victory

[Nfvzjvcl]

When the opposition already has the politicians on their accounts, it's a pretty uphill struggle. Then even if they (RIAA) lose, they will take it to another judge, rinse and repeat ad infinitum until one runs out of money.

Is that a reason to just let them do whatever they want? I don't think so. And that lady who got charged for paying a fine over thousends of dollars because of 10 songs that were shared p2p is an unreasonable amount of money.

The RIAA claims due loss in profit, but 10 songs shared on P2P networks for thousends of dollars is unrealistic. The RIAA is a foundation (afik -. same as Dutch foundation BRAIN) and is not a piece of the government.

Their existance is ok, but their sources and their scandalous high amount of fines are not ok and should be faught. They want money, more money and more as it never be enough. That should be ended soon and I support people who take actions to those malafid business people.

(i hope all my words exist in the english dictionary )

[PZXjoe]

Is that a reason to just let them do whatever they want? I don't think so. And that lady who got charged for paying a fine over thousends of dollars because of 10 songs that were shared p2p is an unreasonable amount of money.

The RIAA claims due loss in profit, but 10 songs shared on P2P networks for thousends of dollars is unrealistic. The RIAA is a foundation (afik -. same as Dutch foundation BRAIN) and is not a piece of the government.

Their existance is ok, but their sources and their scandalous high amount of fines are not ok and should be faught. They want money, more money and more as it never be enough. That should be ended soon and I support people who take actions to those malafid business people.

(i hope all my words exist in the english dictionary )

I agree that their fines are way too OTT, but their actions are brute force for a reason: deterrence, which is perfectly understandable, but, perhaps, unreasonable.

Really, the RIAA are going after the wrong people. Going into an analogy here, but downloading music has two types of people, the casual users, like someone who smokes a bit of weed once or twice a month, the pushers, who "seed", and the inbetweeners who do it out of habit. The RIAA should be cracking down on the "seeders". Further, the underlining problem is with the actual practices and culture of society which is why this all happens anyway.

Like I originally said, this will go back and forth between different judges, courthouses, states. Noone will win; either money runs out or will to carry on with the cause, restarting the whole affair as different people make different cases.

[Nfvzjvcl]

I agree that their fines are way too OTT, but their actions are brute force for a reason: deterrence, which is perfectly understandable, but, perhaps, unreasonable.

Really, the RIAA are going after the wrong people. Going into an analogy here, but downloading music has two types of people, the casual users, like someone who smokes a bit of weed once or twice a month, the pushers, who "seed", and the inbetweeners who do it out of habit. The RIAA should be cracking down on the "seeders". Further, the underlining problem is with the actual practices and culture of society which is why this all happens anyway.

Like I originally said, this will go back and forth between different judges, courthouses, states. Noone will win; either money runs out or will to carry on with the cause, restarting the whole affair as different people make different cases.

Fines don't make people stop. It'll ruin them.
You get arrested by sharing files that are copyrighted, you get a fine in which you have to pay your whole life. Your life ends. Someone else , who never got into trouble is a new victem. They get money and loads of it.

Businesses however, with income, can pay fines. But still the high amount of fines never stopped anyone from doing something illegal.

And is the RIAA paying money to all those who have "lost income" due to public sharing? I have my doubts, if they do, they just pay the price to stand clear and keep the rest of all the collected money into their own pockets. Like a virus they grow and get stronger, someone must stop them.

[PZXjoe]

Fines don't make people stop. It'll ruin them.
You get arrested by sharing files that are copyrighted, you get a fine in which you have to pay your whole life. Your life ends. Someone else , who never got into trouble is a new victem. They get money and loads of it.

There's a simple an reasonable thing to do if you don't want to get caught or in trouble: don't do it. How is it much different than buying coke on the streets, getting caught and spending most of your life in prison, effectively ruining your life as well? Both are illegal. You can argue the differences and outcomes of pirating and drug abuse but, either way, it's still wrong. The fines are overexaggerated and way too unreasonable, but if the courts allow it, it's the courts that is the problem here.



Businesses however, with income, can pay fines. But still the high amount of fines never stopped anyone from doing something illegal. Because there's no real police force on the Internet. You have to do research to catch them, and subpoena ISPs for the info. Again, your choice if you do something wrong; if you get caught you take responsibility over it. But what does this have to do with businesses? Can all businesses pay fines? Really?

[Voliscietle]

There's a simple an reasonable thing to do if you don't want to get caught or in trouble: don't do it. How is it much different than buying coke on the streets, getting caught and spending most of your life in prison, effectively ruining your life as well? Both are illegal. You can argue the differences and outcomes of pirating and drug abuse but, either way, it's still wrong. The fines are overexaggerated and way too unreasonable, but if the courts allow it, it's the courts that is the problem here.



Because there's no real police force on the Internet. You have to do research to catch them, and subpoena ISPs for the info. Again, your choice if you do something wrong; if you get caught you take responsibility over it. But what does this have to do with businesses? Can all businesses pay fines? Really?

lol russ18uk,
alot drug related analogies in your last post´s.