[ticskebasse]

I think they know pedophilia when they see it. And they definitely recognize that societies have the right to prosecute those who engage in it for the common good.

[FUNALA]

That's not really an argument, Herr Doctor.

[soydaykam]

China and Russia objected too. See? The Vatican is in good company here.

Our foreign minister, who is gay, said the same. But he meant the vote about the Libya thing..../worthless bit of anecdotic info

[heltduell]

Probably

[Zaebal]

If it's self-victimization wouldn't it make more sense to compare it to suicide? Or possibly things like incest and adultery. Comparing it to pedophilia? Really?

[dwestemesse]

What do you mean by basic human rights? The Vatican is clearly stating that it opposes violence against homosexuals. Do you think that getting married is a basic human right?

[vNGiDaFX]

In that case the human rights of gays have never been respected during all of mankind's history until some countries legalized gay mariage this past decade.

[QuidQuoPro]

In that case the human rights of gays have never been respected during all of mankind's history until some countries legalized gay mariage this past decade.

Yes, no, and maybe. Also, did you know that at one time there was no such thing as rights. For anyone!

[Lipitorseffec]

Yes, the bishops were throwing the Jews right into the Gas Chambers

[StoyaFanst]

Back up.

Is marriage a basic right for anyone?

[xFZ3k8Mw]

Back up.

Is marriage a basic right for anyone?

No.

And it has never been so. And it is still not so (Even in states/countries that recognize gay marriage).

And those who argue for gay marriage from the standpoint that it is, make me want to change to be against gay marriage because it would be terrible if marriage was a basic right for anyone.

JM

[Peter Hill]

Because I am against and not a fan of:

1. Marriage where one or more people are very young.
2. Marriage between blood relations.
3. Marriage between more than 2 people.
4. Marriage between a human and a non-human.

And so on....

I think they would be damaging to society. I don't think that 'gay marriage is a slippery slope'. I do think that 'marriage is a fundamental right' has implications though.

JM

[varrozans]

Yes, the bishops were throwing the Jews right into the Gas Chambers

They almost were. The Vatican was telling Catholics it was their duty to report law breakers including Jews, gays, and Gypsies who were trying to hide from the SS. There were dozens of ways they were complicit including money laundering for the Nazis through the Vatican bank since the Vatican wasn't officially at war with the allies.

[JNancy46]

It is also negative to add fundamental rights for everything.

Pretty soon I will have the fundamental right to wear what I want and the fundamental right to drive and so on...

JM

Mating is pretty fundamental to the human animal.

[Ltftujkg]

Mating is pretty fundamental to the human animal.

I definitely don't think we have a fundamental right to mate.

Although I did think some german prisoners were arguing that?

No, it was some german old folks who argued that they should be 'taken care of'?

Anyways, no fundamental right to mate. Obviously if there is no fundamental right to mate, there is no fundamental right to marriage.

JM

[Honealals]

I definitely don't think we have a fundamental right to mate.

I think that is an absurd notion.

[oplapofffe]

It is also negative to add fundamental rights for everything.

Pretty soon I will have the fundamental right to wear what I want and the fundamental right to drive and so on...

JM

It can be perceived as a fundamental right because it's is closely linked to the fundamental right not be discriminated against (by the state in particular).

If we want to treat each and every person equally, then it makes perfect sense that like heterosexuals, gays should also be given the opportunity to marry.

I'll repeat myself briefly: whereas gay marriage is not a fundamental right (like marriage is not a fundamantal right), in practice it is a human right, namely the right to non-discrimination.

[swwatch]

Most Catholic priests are gay. You see, instead of letting them marry and form healthy relationships, we just tell them to bottle up their feelings, and then give them unlimited access to children.

[NumDusthouh]

I'd be a lot more sympathetic to the Catholic opposition to gay marriage if they didn't do ridiculous things like compare homosexuality to violent crime like rape and pedophilia.

[aAaBecker]

I'm starting a polygamy thread.