[bensabath]

I most certainly do, bring it over!

I wish S&W would make an auto version.

The round is 2 inches long!

The only way it would work is in the form of a C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser.

[HaroTaure]

m8, what you do in the end is up to you,
If someone is actually threatening your or yours life, well then, he made his choice as you said, but honestly, splattering someones brain against the wall for breaking and entering, trying to steal your sh!t isn´t the best of ideas.
Putting another Person out of commission doesn´t need deadly force and accuracy.
(Unload a few rounds into someones legs/knees for an instance)

I can see where you're coming from, but you are absolutely wrong on every level. Let me explain.

Moral: Disabling someone for life is just as bad, if not worse, then shooting them. You may be causing more suffering this way.

Legal: If you aimed at his legs, means you were not afraid for your life. Which makes it assault with a deadly weapon, not self-defense.

Realistic: When you pull a gun, your opponent will not stand there, looking like a target, waiting for you to carefully aim at his legs. If you can shoot someone who is running at you in the legs accurately, you must be better than any trained force on the face of the Earth, because none of them even consider aiming at such a small moving target, being a shot they could realistically make.

Medical: Bullets are lethal. Only in Hollywood movies do people shrug off multiple gunshot wounds. It's stupidly easy to kill someone with a shot to the leg. A severed femoral artery is death in about 2 minutes. A severed popliteal artery is death in 5. Either way, LONG before any medical help could be offered. In the famous Hollywood bank shootout, the robbers were wearing multiple layers of body armor, and ultimately one of them died from being shot in the legs.

Like I said, I can see why you think the way you do... and it's noble in some way. But it's just wrong.

[teentodiefows]

The round is 2 inches long!

The only way it would work is in the form of a C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser.

Hahaha, yea it'd be just plain silly. That Mauser looks hilarious....also like it is made of pewter.

[Mark_NyB]

I can see where you're coming from, but you are absolutely wrong on every level. Let me explain.

Moral: Disabling someone for life is just as bad, if not worse, then shooting them. You may be causing more suffering this way. You say that like it's a bad thing! However, a disabling wound may allow the criminal to re-offend and use up tax dollars during incarceration and disability after release.

Legal: If you aimed at his legs, means you were not afraid for your life. Which makes it assault with a deadly weapon, not self-defense. Perhaps, but at reasonably close range, which it would be to be in fear of your safety, legs are actually quite a big target, especially if you're not standing.

Realistic: When you pull a gun, your opponent will not stand there, looking like a target, waiting for you to carefully aim at his legs. If you can shoot someone who is running at you in the legs accurately, you must be better than any trained force on the face of the Earth, because none of them even consider aiming at such a small moving target, being a shot they could realistically make. Police and Military are generally trained to aim at the torso, as that's the biggest target - I don't see why a civilian under threat shouldn't also do so.

Medical: Bullets are lethal. Only in Hollywood movies do people shrug off multiple gunshot wounds. It's stupidly easy to kill someone with a shot to the leg. A severed femoral artery is death in about 2 minutes. A severed popliteal artery is death in 5. Either way, LONG before any medical help could be offered. In the famous Hollywood bank shootout, the robbers were wearing multiple layers of body armor, and ultimately one of them died from being shot in the legs. Can be lethal, it's the luck of the draw - there was a guy on a cop reality show tonight who'd been shot twice, at close range, in the upper body and walked out the same day after the bullets were removed and a couple of years ago there was a (innocent) guy who was mistakenly target by a drive by shooting that was hit 34 times, without any in a vital area.

Like I said, I can see why you think the way you do... and it's noble in some way. But it's just wrong.

Right or wrong may be more a case of personal morals, social values and local laws. IMO, someone brakes in and they get themselves killed - tough, their choice, their responsability! HOWEVER, there must be a risk as you don't want to shoot a cop or firefighter who's trying to get you out of a burning building, or a family member, or friend, who's dropped in unexpectedly.

[HaroTaure]

Right or wrong may be more a case of personal morals, social values and local laws. IMO, someone brakes in and they get themselves killed - tough, their choice, their responsability! HOWEVER, there must be a risk as you don't want to shoot a cop or firefighter who's trying to get you out of a burning building, or a family member, or friend, who's dropped in unexpectedly.

May I ask - did you read my post carefully? Cause it appears as if you are disagreeing with me when our views don't actually conflict...

[rsdefwgxvcfdts]

I got my paws on an different pistol 2 weeks ago, and i shot it much much better than my springfield... found one locally setup just how i wanted it at the store... so i sold the XDm.

and got my new H&K USP .40 variant 1.

This will be my new gun for IDPA shooting, and hopefully i can get some better scores

[KixdricyArrip]

Awesome, a picture of a gun.

[rsdefwgxvcfdts]

Awesome, a picture of a gun.

it's ok to be jealous

[Nekas48]

sweet gun im looking into maybe geting into 10mm

[rsdefwgxvcfdts]

10mm is a beast of a round, not many manufacturers still chamber them, but for those that do... look out!

[KixdricyArrip]

it's ok to be jealous

It looks so ordinary though.

[Nekas48]

10mm is a beast of a round, not many manufacturers still chamber them, but for those that do... look out!

id probaly try my hand at reloading my own shells

[Barryrich]

sweet gun im looking into maybe geting into 10mm

Be careful with using a 10mm handgun for self defense.

Look up Harold Fish. He was a school teacher convicted of murder for using his 10mm gun in self defense. Even though the conviction was not based solely on the ammo he used, it did contribute. The courts considered the 10mm ammo to be excessive for self defense.

I believe he did file an appeal and won, but a lot of people still ended up opting for a smaller caliber for self defense because of the conviction.

[Nekas48]

Be careful with using a 10mm handgun for self defense.

Look up Harold Fish. He was a school teacher convicted of murder for using his 10mm gun in self defense. Even though the conviction was not based solely on the ammo he used, it did contribute. The courts considered the 10mm ammo to be excessive for self defense.

I believe he did file an appeal and won, but a lot of people still ended up opting for a smaller caliber for self defense because of the conviction.

that sucks if i have some one comeing at me high on crack with a knife in there hand i want something to stop there forward momentum.

[Nekas48]

ps there are so many home invasions here in ga its crazy

[rsdefwgxvcfdts]

It looks so ordinary though.

to the untrained eye maybe

[HaroTaure]

I got my paws on an different pistol 2 weeks ago, and i shot it much much better than my springfield... found one locally setup just how i wanted it at the store... so i sold the XDm.

and got my new H&K USP .40 variant 1.

This will be my new gun for IDPA shooting, and hopefully i can get some better scores

H&Ks are superb guns. They really fit my hand wonderfully. The full sized USP is a little large, but I love the smaller one.

If I wasn't living in a police state, I'd save up for the mini in 9mm.

[loikrso]

Nice! I'm looking for a new semi-auto pistol. I keep thinking Glock, but just because of reputation not because I've had good experience with them.
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[dosugxxx]

Welcome to the HK Family! I have owned my USP 40 for several years now, and am sure it will not be my last HK. [thumbup]

My baby:


The piece on the front is an original HK Quik-Comp.. [thumbup]

[zlopikanikanza]

lol @ USP, i just looked at the pic for a sec whilst watching a show on my 2nd monitor and thought WTF? why would there be a USB slot on a gun [rofl]

Man i gotta go to bed [rofl]