Qadiyanis/Ahmaddiya?
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_Muslim_Community
http://aaiil.org/text/questionsanswe...dimuslim.shtml

Are these people even real Muslims? They believe in all the books the mainstream Muslims believe, and they belief in all six pillars of faith, yet they do not believe Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be the final messenger. Isn't this kufr?

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short answer: Yes, this is kufr.
Long answer: http://www.thecult.info/

aoa,

can someone tell me exactly how to 'permanently' change the ahmadi pages (inculing those of their famous notables) to depict their correct status as kafir?almost all of them list themselves as muslims.

aoa,

finality of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is one of the six things that divide muslims and non-muslims. so no matter what they say about themselves they are kafir and out of islam. they are in the category of zindeeq

We believe in all six pillars of faith, follow what the Holy Prophet (pbuh) did and said, we don't kill others because of their believes and we don't judge others.

Well I'm here to expand my knowledge and to find some answers, which could help me http://discussworldissues.com/forums...icon_smile.gif

If you're Qadiani, then you deny at least two pillars of faith:

1. You reject the Qur'an when it says that Isa http://discussworldissues.com/forums...es/alayhis.gif was raised up and did not die and you deny the finality of prophethood.
2. You reject Rasoolullah http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/pbuh.gif and his sayings that there is no prophet after him as well as his description of 'Isa http://discussworldissues.com/forums...es/alayhis.gif and his return.

Also, trying to suggest that judging others is somehow negative is contrary to Islam because Allah http://discussworldissues.com/forums...lies/taala.gif has given us the Qur'an and the Sunnah as tools to better ourselves and to separate haqq from baatil (i.e. JUDGE between good and evil). The Qadiani are far from haqq and are on pure baatil and kufr.

To Muslims:

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Please do not refer to the Qadiani as "Ahmadiyya" since that is defaming the beautiful name of Rasoolullah http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/pbuh.gif "Ahmad".

@Baira

Do you believe in the hadeeth books of mainstream muslims. Like Sahi Bukhari and Sahi Muslim, etc?

And do you believe that Prophet Muhammad(Saw) was last prophet?

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Good point. Not sure if I can request this here or if the OP needs to make the request but: Can the moderators please rename the thread?

Okay, but do Sunnis follow the Holy Quran if they kill Ahmadis because of their believes? Since the Quran says:"There is no compulsion in religion."
Does the Holy Prophet (pbuh) treated his enemies like this?

I'm not saying that Ahmadis are right/wrong, just trying to expand my knowledge and find the right way. And not just to believe in sth. because of my parents or because I was born into this religion.
But thank you for your reply...

My sunni brothers and sisters are quite mean.. you will never get a warm welcome from most of them...

While I am sunni... I do consider you a muslim but I reject the claim that Ahmad was the Christ and Al Mahdi... But I do have a question... Do the Ahmadiyya have a spiritual path, like Sufism???

they are kufr the guy says he is jesus (as) and the mehdi

We don't kill Qadiyanies for their beliefs, we hold them outside the fold of Islam.

Who's killing Qadianis?

I do.

I don't think he was the last prophet.
But this question led me to nowhere. I've tried to understand how Sunnis think, but it made no sense to me. If I would believe that Hazrat Isa as will come back one day and be a prophet just because he was a prophet before the Holy Prophet pbuh, it would still stay in contradicition to the Hadith, which you are going to mention maybe now...

So you are going to tell me that Ahmadis can live in peace in Pak, it's this holding them outside which led to this killing..which is ridiculous actually.... but I don't want to discuss this here..it's more what to believe and to follow...

Good so check out this hadeeth.

Sahi muslim 4.661: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number.” The people asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What do you order us (to do)?” He said, “Obey the one who will be given the pledge of allegiance first. Fulfil their (i.e. the Caliphs) rights, for Allah will ask them about (any shortcoming) in ruling those Allah has put under their guardianship.”

Comment: This narration proves that , There will be no prophet after prophet Muhammad(saw), (mentioning that he was final prophet itself was a proof that there wasn’t any divinely appointed ruler after him) but prophet(saw) didn’t stop there, he even clarified that there wasn’t any divinely appointed person after him(Saw), because Prophet(Saw) said “obey the one who will be given the pledge of allegiance first” , if at all there was any divinely appointed caliph he would have said “obey the divinely appointed caliph after me”. But he(saw) didn’t say so, which proves that there wasn’t any divinely appointed ruler after him. This narrations leaves no doubt in the mind of intelligent and unbiased people that there will not be any divinely appointed leader after Prophet Muhammad(saw).

I don't think he was the last prophet.
But this question led me to nowhere. I've tried to understand how Sunnis think, but it made no sense to me. If I would believe that Hazrat Isa as will come back one day and be a prophet just because he was a prophet before the Holy Prophet pbuh, it would still stay in contradicition to the Hadith, which you are going to mention maybe now... In the second coming, Isa(as) will be just an Ummati of Prophet(Saw), not a Prophet.

This might help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuwGysRUv-k
[edit: specifically from around minute 4:00 onward]

Okay, are there any hadith or verses which prove that?

I'm not aware of the situation in Pakistan, however I have not come across a single Sunni Scholar who has said 'Kill Qadiyanies'. I pray that Allah guides us.

Why don't you believe that Muhammad http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/pbuh.gif is the last prophet?
And if you don't think he was the last prophet then who is?