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Old 12-31-2011, 02:39 AM   #1
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ISLAM IS PURE LOVE, DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM

Islam is pure love. It is affection, amenity, it is beauty, it is democracy, it is candidness, it is the freedom of thought, it is going to the highest points in art and science. It is enlightenment, it is the comfort of the mind, it is the widening of horizon. Satan tries to change such a beauty into the exact opposite, it tries to change it into bigotry. Satan tries to change Islam into bigotry. May Allah forbid. We advance upon bigots wherever we find them.

I do not give way to bigots. Since we have removed the constraint of bigots on the Muslims in Europe and in America, Islam started to grow immensely in Europe. Look at their history, with our books getting into Europe intensely, an amazing development started in Islam. This was not the case before. There was no such thing before. That was because bigots had locked Islam at some certain points. Bigots, fanatics, sanguinaries, those blood sucking vampires were not letting Muslims breath. They were trying to present Islam as if it were a religion of terror, as if it were a religion of blood. We have cleaned out that gang of bigots one by one, with reason, with thought, with science and with love insha'Allah.
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Old 12-31-2011, 04:39 AM   #2
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Yup.
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Old 12-31-2011, 06:17 AM   #3
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Hello, newbie here.

How come America, a country full of people who commit the worst sins in the sight of Allah(SWT), is doing much better than countries dominated by Islam. Americans indulge in interest everyday of week including the government! Did not Allah declare war on those who indulge interest? Did not Allah obliterate past, advanced civilizations because they participated in abominations such as drinking, gambling, open endorsement fornication for those of all ages , blasphemy, arrogance, dishonesty, and homosexuality - a practice quickly gaining platform, acceptance and validity in the USA but had the people of Sodom blown to smithereens?

Yet today, the USA is ruler of the world in power and economics whilst Muslim countries are in turmoil. Shouldn't Islam be the supreme ideology that brings forth the most success?
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Old 12-31-2011, 07:01 AM   #4
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Yet today, the USA is ruler of the world in power and economics whilst Muslim countries are in turmoil. Shouldn't Islam be the supreme ideology that brings forth the most success?
Muslims today are a defeated Ummah because we fail to follow Islam properly. As for the US, one can already see the cracks. Its difficult for a person to witness both the rise and fall of a Nation in ones lifetime as our life is short. Take the example of Nuh (as), He preached to his fellowmen for Centuries before Allah destroyed them with floods. May Allah save us from such tribulations.

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Old 12-31-2011, 10:01 AM   #5
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hello, newbie here.

How come america, a country full of people who commit the worst sins in the sight of allah(swt), is doing much better than countries dominated by islam. Americans indulge in interest everyday of week including the government! Did not allah declare war on those who indulge interest? Did not allah obliterate past, advanced civilizations because they participated in abominations such as drinking, gambling, open endorsement fornication for those of all ages , blasphemy, arrogance, dishonesty, and homosexuality - a practice quickly gaining platform, acceptance and validity in the usa but had the people of sodom blown to smithereens?

Yet today, the usa is ruler of the world in power and economics whilst muslim countries are in turmoil. Shouldn't islam be the supreme ideology that brings forth the most success?
lol!!
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:14 AM   #6
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lol!!
Really not funny considering how the Muslim world is the opposite of what you have highlighted in red. Or perhaps my standardsof what is successful, dominant, and powerful are different from yours.

I think it's a very interesting thing.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:56 AM   #7
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Really not funny considering how the Muslim world is the opposite of what you have highlighted in red. Or perhaps my standardsof what is successful, dominant, and powerful are different from yours.

I think it's a very interesting thing.
Yes indeed, Islamic success is not the money and power in this world. But the true success is in the hereAfter, which is eternal.
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Old 12-31-2011, 01:57 PM   #8
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Yet today, the USA is ruler of the world in power and economics whilst Muslim countries are in turmoil. Shouldn't Islam be the supreme ideology that brings forth the most success?
USA is the ruler in power?

It's not so Islamic to laugh, especially loudly, but reading this i LOLed all the way.

Look at the ****-hole that the "most powerful soldiers in the world" have found themselves stuck in!!!

C'mon man, ICBMs, M-1s,F-15s, Carbines, etc. etc. etc. + 150,000 brainless fools what more do you need to beat a bunch of Afghans?
They are still using the same guns that reduced the Soviet "Empire" to dust! And now another is caught with his pants down!

This is what u call "1 shot, 2 killed" LOL not 2 men killed, but 2 "Mighty Superpowers" doomed...
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Old 12-31-2011, 03:58 PM   #9
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Hello, newbie here.

How come America, a country full of people who commit the worst sins in the sight of Allah(SWT), is doing much better than countries dominated by Islam. Americans indulge in interest everyday of week including the government! Did not Allah declare war on those who indulge interest? Did not Allah obliterate past, advanced civilizations because they participated in abominations such as drinking, gambling, open endorsement fornication for those of all ages , blasphemy, arrogance, dishonesty, and homosexuality - a practice quickly gaining platform, acceptance and validity in the USA but had the people of Sodom blown to smithereens?

Yet today, the USA is ruler of the world in power and economics whilst Muslim countries are in turmoil. Shouldn't Islam be the supreme ideology that brings forth the most success?
Hello

Power in the world is given to whomsoever Allah (God) pleases. The Qur'aan gives testimony to this fact. In fact the giving of power is the test that Allah places nations in whether believing or unbelieving. The qur'aan makes this clear throughout. Let me please present a few verses stating this,

3:26 Say: "O Allah. Lord of Power (And Rule), Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power.

3:140....Such days (of varying fortunes/power in the world) We give to men and men by turns...........And Allah loveth not those that do wrong.

23:55-56 Think they that in the wealth and sons wherewith We provide them (that) We hasten unto them with good things? Nay, but they perceive not.

30:9 Have they not travelled in the land and seen the nature of the consequence for those who were before them? they were stronger than these in power, and they dug the earth and built upon it more than these have built. Messengers of their own came unto them with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty). Surely Allah wronged them not, but they did wrong themselves.

The Muslim world is in turmoil as you rightly state because they have abandoned the covenant which Allah has taken from them. To gloat in the power of the world is th business of the foolish who have no concept of the reckoning. These forget the transient nature of their power before their bodies and power is truned to dust and will not be of any use.

Peace on those who accept the guidance.
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Old 01-01-2012, 03:12 PM   #10
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Brother JackVegas is right.
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Old 01-01-2012, 03:34 PM   #11
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Brother JackVegas is right.
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Old 01-01-2012, 09:09 PM   #12
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ISLAM IS PURE LOVE, DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM

Islam is pure love... it is democracy.
What is this rubbish? Democracy is rule by the mob, the masses, the uneducated. None of this is part of islam. You sound like you've been thoroughly indoctrinated into thinking democracy is the perfect system of government ever to exist. Well I tell you democracy one step away from utter tyranny. Democracy is the tyranny of the masses, and can lead only to the tyranny of demagogues and dictators.

Islamic governance it rule by knowledge and wisdom, not rule by illiterate masses peasants and merchants choosing who promises them the cheapest bread and lowest taxes.

The sahaba didn't all take a vote and then make the guy who got 51% the leader. No, the most knowledgable among them were the ones to decide.

As for 'islamic states' not being rich, who ever said ruling by islam would make people rich? That was never the goal. The goal was to spread allah's rule across the earth, to eschew material posessions and to open up new lands, to free people from the oppression of their shirk filled cultures, to becoming muslim.
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:46 AM   #13
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good job from brother from another planet 'Pluto'
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Old 01-02-2012, 02:11 AM   #14
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Hello, newbie here.

How come America, a country full of people who commit the worst sins in the sight of Allah(SWT), is doing much better than countries dominated by Islam. Americans indulge in interest everyday of week including the government! Did not Allah declare war on those who indulge interest? Did not Allah obliterate past, advanced civilizations because they participated in abominations such as drinking, gambling, open endorsement fornication for those of all ages , blasphemy, arrogance, dishonesty, and homosexuality - a practice quickly gaining platform, acceptance and validity in the USA but had the people of Sodom blown to smithereens?

Yet today, the USA is ruler of the world in power and economics whilst Muslim countries are in turmoil. Shouldn't Islam be the supreme ideology that brings forth the most success?
brother the reason why muslim countries are in turmoil is not because of islam but because islam is finished in the hearts of muslims. and the muslims are committing tremendous sins and re thus being punished. muslims need to repent and come back into islam for them to achieve success.

2ndly because u r worldy people u all blieve in superiroty in wolrdy things but dont look at humanity. being rich and attaining worldly things like usa is not a sign of succes or advancement. through out history we have seen roman empirer, persian ect.. they were rich and powerful.so was the soviet but they all came to an end. just because usa is rich doesnt mean that this is an acheivement for civillisation.usa will also come to an end in the very near future (in a matter of decades in fact just like the soviet union)

3rdly yes sins are being committed and usa is being punished. (just look at the millions who are suffering from depression) usa has established usury and do ur reasearch on the interent, many have said that usa economy is heading for an inevitable end as a result of it. its usury system has only come crashing down on its self.

u state the the people of sodom got destroyed for sodomy but in usa it is wide practiced.and why hasnt it been destroyed. u need to understand after prophet moses (a.s) the method of destrying nations changed. it changed from sodoms like punishments to small groups of people destroying tryranical powers. that is what god says in the quran when mentioning the prophet david (a.s) story and goliath. gods method of destroying tyranical powers is by creating smaller groups of people and they fight and destroy the powers. this is what u are seeing in afghan iraq and many other muslims countries in the future when usa invades. u c small groups of millitants fighting large powers. u will see that usa will be destroyed in a mattter of decades like the soviet and it will never rise again.
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Old 01-02-2012, 02:32 AM   #15
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Really not funny considering how the Muslim world is the opposite of what you have highlighted in red. Or perhaps my standardsof what is successful, dominant, and powerful are different from yours.

I think it's a very interesting thing.
u r absoltuley right muslims and non muslims standars are different when defining success, powerful and dominant. non musllims are simply worldy people. they think supriorty in worldy terms. this means that if u live a big house and are rich u r successful but if u live in a small house and are poor u r unsucceful and a loser in life. u people only think attaining worldy things as success and who ever has more is superior successful and more civillised, it doesnt matter if u drop atom bombs, rape a woman every 90 seconds, or are flooded with violent gang culture as long as u rich u r advanced civillised and successful. in islam supriorty is based on PIETY. those nations and people who have the highest level of piety are superior regardless of their worldy standing. people who have islam and have faith are richa dn wealthy. not those who have money, those who focus on the next life and please god are successful in life. not those who attain worldy things that only dissapear in ur life, bring no happiness and cannot be taken in the grave.

dominant is also different in islam, look at afghan with all wests trillions of dollars thousands of tanks,helicopters, jet fighters, advanced technology, greatest armies ect.. they cant defeat small groups of rag tag fighters with home made fertilliser bombs. so u c it is the taliban who are dominant as they have won the war and control over 70% of afghan ans usa is the one leaving the war not the talibans.

can u c islam remains dominant on a n idelogical and milliatry level. look at all the anti islamic tdal wave propganda yet isam is till the fastet growing religion. look at all the attacks against womens oppression yet women are the highest converts to islam. islam cannot be defeated, or destroyed.

so u c muslims views on success, dominace and power and different to non muslims.


usa will drop atom bombs rape women every 90 seconds, produce endless list of serial killers pycopths have gays but will be considered civillised only because it is rich and its leaders wear suites and would consider nations the complete opposite of this as as losers and uncivillised simply because they r poor or black ect..
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:11 AM   #16
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The problem here is that if you speak the truth openly, you have FBI, SIS and CSIS running after you, monitoring even your toilet papers to check if you're a future "Jihadi".

Fact of the matter is, Muslim countries that were free from US-interference were doing much, MUCH better than US. Are you aware that Libya during Qaddafi rule, despite all his crimes, did not owe a dime to the world? Now there's a US base there which they use to threat other nations in the region.Or are you aware that the peace and obedience of the law observed in Afghanistan between 1996-2001 was unlike any other country on earth at that time? It's a self admitted fact by a Pakistani general that was published in quarterly "Qur'ani Horizons" in the early 2000s that it was such a surprise he could travel all across the country in Afghanistan without any need for guards, and right when he entered Pakistan, he had to get people to escort him to safety(i.e. his own country).

In that same Afghanistan during that time, poppy growth went from 75% to 0% in less than 1 year. AFTER US invasion, it's again become a major crop over there.
So to sum it up since I can't say much online, US and her allies still have that war-mongering mindset that they've always had, except before they called it slavery and crusade, now they call it "War on Terror" when they find excuses to take over other lands , take their resources , and establish their Capitalist system over there.
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:22 AM   #17
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ISLAM IS PURE LOVE, DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM

Islam is pure love. It is affection, amenity, it is beauty, it is democracy, it is candidness, it is the freedom of thought, it is going to the highest points in art and science. It is enlightenment, it is the comfort of the mind, it is the widening of horizon. Satan tries to change such a beauty into the exact opposite, it tries to change it into bigotry. Satan tries to change Islam into bigotry. May Allah forbid. We advance upon bigots wherever we find them.

I do not give way to bigots. Since we have removed the constraint of bigots on the Muslims in Europe and in America, Islam started to grow immensely in Europe. Look at their history, with our books getting into Europe intensely, an amazing development started in Islam. This was not the case before. There was no such thing before. That was because bigots had locked Islam at some certain points. Bigots, fanatics, sanguinaries, those blood sucking vampires were not letting Muslims breath. They were trying to present Islam as if it were a religion of terror, as if it were a religion of blood. We have cleaned out that gang of bigots one by one, with reason, with thought, with science and with love insha'Allah.
try saying that yo a kafir
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:41 PM   #18
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good job from brother from another planet 'Pluto'
I can go on and on, but brother Jack hasn't returned also I think I'll spare him the blushes
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:15 AM   #19
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I can go on and on, but brother Jack hasn't returned also I think I'll spare him the blushes
Very nice chart of the national debt, based on that it seems like America is a ticking bomb and it is only a matter of time before things fall apart. But, y'know it really doesn't feel like that at all. It may be a long while before that happens. Despite the rising numbers and debt due to Riba', people go about their lives like nothing is happening; nobody is panicking. People are still indulging in extravagance on x-mas and new years, sadly including Muslims and gambling. So it's either:

-It's not as bad as it seems
-The American people just don't care/comprehend
-The government has plans to cushion it's collapsing (More war?)

I think that if the Islamic world could show, through example, that its lifestyle is far superior than the ideals of boundless freedom and capitalism in America, it would make more people open up to sharia law and its teachings. If it could show, through example, not arguing, that Islam is the only logical path towards peace and prosperity than it would do the entire world a huge service. Everyone will flock to the Islamic lifestyle and desire it more than western ideals.

That is the issue here. How can one explain that Islam is the best for humanity when opponents will just constantly point to the middle-east ad nauseum? Or some opponents of Islam may shout "takiyya, takiyya, takiyya!!" which is the equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and screaming "lalalala liar liar pants on fire!!"

It doesn't help that Americans think that Islam is the religion of violence,hatred and refuse to accept the truth. They even push the envelope even further and claim that any Muslim who is not engaged in active or "stealth" jihad is either ignorant of their own religion or performing takiyya to lead non-muslims into a false sense of security.ICNA,CAIR, and MSA? All of them are terrorist sympathizers in the eyes of the American public.

Zakat? They say it goes to terrorists. Any refutation to this will result in them screaming to the audience "Don't listen! He has been told to do takiyya!!" and you know? The audience believes.

So what is a Muslim to do in America? His or her word is worthless and image tarnished with nothing to be proud of.


"Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us)."(21:18)

I would love to see that sometime soon because the NDAA act that the U.S. just passed combined with people paranoid about Islam, is going to bring a lot suffering upon American Muslims and Muslims around the world.

They are too going to wonder sometimes why evil and falsehood are running around like a raging bull and truth is persecuted.



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Old 01-03-2012, 02:55 AM   #20
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jackvegas ur comments show u have a have a misundertstanding of islam. the reason for the destruction of the muslims world we see today is not because of islam it is because of islam finishing in the hearts of muslims. so people in the west have been led to believe that islam is the reason for the destruction of the muslim world when infact is islam finishing in the muslim world that has led to its destruction.

peole in usa dont care about the riba situation because 1. they have been indoctiranted to believe that riba is the normal way of life and 2ndly the dont have much knowledge of the system due to the barrage of entertainment ie celebs, music sports to keep them distracted. they have nooses tied round their necks and leeches sucking of them but the think this is the normal way of life. they dont know any alternative ie islamic finance.

islam does show through example that is it the correct method of life and not the wests. it is the west that makes people believe that the what u see in the muslim world is islam even forgeting islams history and great islamic states that were far superior to anything the west has to offfer. its is ur own fault that u go to anti islamics to learn about islam instead of going to muslim sources to learn about islam. do the kkk tell the truth about black people so why do u think anti islamic people tell the truth about islam.

3rdly islam is the fastest growing religion in the west and the conversions rates are going to sky rocket over this century as the war on terror rages on. no religion except islam can get people from the west to leaves the riches and excess other than islam

the reason for the negative views of islam in the west is because of 1. muslims appaling behaviours 2 western propoganda. but as more people come to learn islam, the religion continues to spread and grow.

as i said if more peolple come to learn about islam more and more will convert. its just a case about getting to know islam.

false hood does perish, this is what u will be seeing this century, u will see usa collapse in a few decades and over the century the west will sink into the ground, whereas islam will continue rising and spreadng and islamic states will be established.

it just needs abit of time. to defeat usa is not going to happen over night it will take some decades of fighting.
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