[VodsNittats]

@saqfu


1.Yes I do have a misunderstanding of Islam, I am an ignorant man in search of what is true and right. I look at Pro-islamic as well as Anti-islam sources because from my perspective humans are humans regardless of their affiliations and perhaps will lie and be biased to achieve an agenda. That is why I am here, to learn from you Muslims your perspective and your side of the story so I may make a fair and sound judgement about what Islam is really about.

2.I agree about the whole thing that people are brainwashed and distracted. Allah does say that those who indulge in their desires are like cattle or even worse. That is very apparent if you look at those who stand in line and fight to get the latest pair Nike Air Jordans.

3. So then where can I look and see true Muslims who are following the authentic and correct teachings of Muhammad(PBUH)? I want to see the truth. The true Islam for what it is.

4.I shudder to think of the west sinking into the ground. It would be like jumping off the top of a sky-scraper vs. tripping and falling. Everybody here is already a paranoid gun-totting crazed nut. There are already enough tin-foil hatters ready to loot,kill and rape at the drop of a hat. If the USA does face total economic and social collapse at the hands of Allah , I hope that it happens after my family and I pass away at least.

[22CreessGah]

You won't find any country in existence today that can claim "true" Islam. In the past, for centuries, when Muslims placed their religion over their worldly lives, you can see success.

Notice how the Muslim world collapsed as soon as the Muslim rulers started to look towards the West as a source of inspiration. This began during the end period of the Ottoman caliphate, where many un-Islamic and anti-Islamic laws were legislated and many Islamic laws were abolished. The "Golden Age" of Islam occurred when our rulers sought only the favour of Allah . Muslims in the early centuries conquered both hearts and minds of non-Muslims. The Islamic caliphate spread all the way from Spain to China within its first century. Many people left their religions to become Muslims, not because of coercion (Islam allowed non-Muslims to practice their religion freely, contrary to the practice of every single other religion at the time), but because of witnessing the noble behavior of the Muslims and their rulers at the time.

[lodsemelf]

@saqfu


1.Yes I do have a misunderstanding of Islam, I am an ignorant man in search of what is true and right. I look at Pro-islamic as well as Anti-islam sources because from my perspective humans are humans regardless of their affiliations and perhaps will lie and be biased to achieve an agenda. That is why I am here, to learn from you Muslims your perspective and your side of the story so I may make a fair and sound judgement about what Islam is really about.

2.I agree about the whole thing that people are brainwashed and distracted. Allah does say that those who indulge in their desires are like cattle or even worse. That is very apparent if you look at those who stand in line and fight to get the latest pair Nike Air Jordans.

3. So then where can I look and see true Muslims who are following the authentic and correct teachings of Muhammad(PBUH)? I want to see the truth. The true Islam for what it is.

4.I shudder to think of the west sinking into the ground. It would be like jumping off the top of a sky-scraper vs. tripping and falling. Everybody here is already a paranoid gun-totting crazed nut. There are already enough tin-foil hatters ready to loot,kill and rape at the drop of a hat. If the USA does face total economic and social collapse at the hands of Allah , I hope that it happens after my family and I pass away at least.

brother jack fom ur comments i realise that ur not a bigot or hateful, which is the case of the many non muslims who come to these forums. phew!!!

brother i will try my best to explain the very essesence of islam. what is the whole purpose of islam in the next post,( as i am short of time today) but first let me try my best to awnser some of ur points.

brother i know u believe that people lie but this is not the case with islam, in islam lieng is one of the great sins and we cant lie about our religion and we dont need to anyway as we r not dependent on who converts to islam or not. also everything is open and nothing about our beliefs is hidden. we couldnt lie about islam even if we tried
brother i am not knowledgable about islam but takiya is not realy part of islam, what i mean by this is that in islam lieng and decieving can only be done in life and death situations to save ones life and we cannnot lie about islam. takiya is a shia blelief not sunni- who r following the correct islam. so when the anti islamic say dont listen to muslims we lie (ie takiya) this is itself a lie as we can only lie in life and death situations.

yes those who do indulge in their desire are worse than cattle. this is the way of life in the west. look at eveyone, slaves of the their whims and desires, indulging in wordly pleasures whether it is greed, money, power, women, fetishes, ect.. all merely indulging in their infinite desires. this is a life of animals.

U ASK WHERE CAN U SEE THE TRUE ISLAM THE TRUE TEACHINGs OF THE PROHET MUHAMMAD (S.A.W)? the awnser i can give is to look back in history at the great scholars of islam and their expertise in the branches of islam. today the ummat is seeing an explosion of deviant sects where virtually all r misguided and are not on the true path. if u look at scholars of the past such as hazrat imam ghazali r.a ( there is website of his ghazali.org) the 4 imams of jurisprudence - hanafi shafi hanbali maliki, if u look at the scholars of tafsirs such hazrat ibn katheer r.a and also his auto biography of the prophet muhammad (s.a.w) u will can find true islam. these are just names of a few. u can ask people on this forum to give u links , sources to great scholars of islam. like i said lieing is not part of islam. takiya is mainly a shia belief not sunni we dont lie about anything and nothing is hidden in islam.

brother the west will sink into the ground, because today kuffar has reached its penacle in the wolrd and tidal waves of kuffar is flowing in this wolrd as a result the world has tunred on its head , gone topsy turvy and is retrograding. this is why we are seeing men turning into women and vice versa ( ie pregnant man), people walking about naked like on nude beaches but modest muslim niqab wearing women are harassed and arrested, we see polygamy that helps populatons to grow outlawed whereas homosexuality that destroys population growth is legalised, wealth flows from poor to rich instead of rich to poor, lies have become the truth and truth have bome lies. also tyranny has reached its pinacle, also sins A-Z -killing ,fornication, usury ect.. has flooded this globe with billion dollar porn industries and people fornicating out in the open and ususry established on global scale. also ignorance has reached its pinacle and humanity is in losses. this has all bee achieved by the west. when the world becomes like this god sends his prophets ( peace and blessings be upon them all) to guide humanity.

god wants to alter the whole situation on planet earth this century, this is why we are seeing rise of islamic fundamentalism. jihad, muslim converts ect.. and clashes erupting between islam and the west. so u c the west will come to an end by the end of this century, just like soviets, romans, persians came to an end. time will change very prapidly.
its just that the west has become rich and powerful, it deasnt mean that their way of life was the truth.
i predict that the colapse of usa will happen in a few decades possibly 2 or 3. so it is very near. i feel sorry for what excuses the anti islamic will make when the only power upholding the western way of life has finished.

i will post some more explaining the very essennce of what islam is but am out of time right now.

[VodsNittats]

Thank you so much for the links and information saqfu I'll do some research on the four imams. And hopefully, I'll find what I am searching for.

[lodsemelf]

Thank you so much for the links and information saqfu I'll do some research on the four imams. And hopefully, I'll find what I am searching for.

brother the four imams are great scolars of jurisprudience. jusrisprudence is branch of islam there other branches such as tafsirs, hadithes, sufism and philosophy

i know some other great scolars of islam from the past are hazrat imam suyuti r.a and hazrat imam rabbani mujadid alif thani r.a if u reaserch u can find their books on the internet.

islam is a vast religion and each branch and its sciences requires years of study. if u look at hazrat ibn katheer's r.a tafsir of the quran it is 7000 pages long. there 60,000 hadithes (sayings ) of the prophet (s.a.w) compilations such as bukhari, muslim,tirmidhi, hanbali, dawood ect.. then the branch of sufism is a life long journey that takes years to acheive accomplishment, there are 1000s of books on sufism, then same with philosphy and jusrisprudence has
100,000s of rulings.

the point i am trying to make is that it takes years to be an acomplished scholar of islam, yet when u look at the anti islamics their leaders havent even read the quran, and nearly all of their fol;owers either. can u beleive this, they are launching a world wide front against islam and they dont even know what islam is, whats its essensce and purpose, they cant even be bothered to read the quran or study the hadithes and the branches of islam and yet they fighting against islam. would any one honestly believe that acomplished scholars of islam lie and decieve, but those anti islamics who havent even read the quran tell the truth about islam?