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12-05-2011, 03:32 PM
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brother Abul Lais,
brother afgnmuslim has in the past read the thread you pointed out. Indeed he has mentioned that in his first post. A question to everyone here, how many of us have done any da'wa to a shi'a before? If we haven't done it before, should we discourage those who wanted to do so? |
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12-05-2011, 04:06 PM
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afgnmuslim...i understand where you are coming from, although one thing is that being in such a place you will most probably hear them at some point really curse the shabas R.A and disrespect rasoolAllah
 and Ahle Bayttheres not much you can do if they do this before you when you are alone and they are all feeling emotional, on the 9th and 10th nights the chest beating turns into full on matam with chains and knifes and lots of blood everywhere. Will you remain quiet and stay in a gathering where people are speaking ill of our beloved people? How will you feel that these people have insulted the sahabas RA and you sat listening but did nothing to defend their honour? |
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12-05-2011, 04:23 PM
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A question to everyone here, firstly I must clarify that no one is being hostile to afghnmuslim. if not why would we bother analysing his posts, researching through and posting what we feel are best for him. So whatever, we are saying is what we genuinely fell is in his best interests, being our Muslim brother. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________________________ Anyway, let's discuss about da'wah. Firstly no one is at all discouraging da'wah. And I say only a hypocrite (one with Nifaaq lurking in his heart) would secretly hate the effort of da'wah since it undoes his work. If anything, to those I've met I always say: we need 2 types of da'wah, i.e. da'wah is a twin-engine plane. They are (1) Tableebgh/Ta'leem/Tasawwuf - towards reviving the correct "sunnah-compliant" Islam amongst the Muslims (2) The Zakir Naik-styled da'wah, (including Ahmad Deedat, Yusuf Estes, Khalid Yaasin etc. Again we may strongly disagree with their manhaj/aqeedah, but that's for another thread.) We need this type men who would rock the stage like how Zakir Naik trounced William Campbell in the Bible v Qur'an epic debate. We need them to carry Islam to the Non-Muslims en masse, in a professional manner. BUT there is a tareeqah for everything. Step-by-step, guided with other brothers who have both knowledge(through books/websites/discussions etc) AND experience (and this can only be earned by having successfully defeated our opponents in past debates). That's all we are saying. Even Ahmad Deedat started off with Izhar-ul-Haq first, he started off with his "smaller" peers; having thrashed them, he moved upwards to the (so-called) "higher" priests, and the rest is history. So does this post make our intentions crystal-clear, dear brother? If bro afghnmuslim wants to be a first-rate stage dai'e (PLEASE let's don't forget our ikhlas niat lessons), debating with the 'big guns' of the rawaafidh ulama, I take an oath an say most of us (except the silent hypocrites) would give him a big thumbs up. And our duas would certainly be with him. But going it alone whilst we may not be concretely-grounded in the nitty-gritty details of shiasm, i.e. whilst we are still learning their plots, then at this stage da'wah alone is not too advisable a move. and that too in the lion's den! Again I apologise to afghnmuslim and faizol for a harsh post, but I sincerely hope this one clears it all up, inshaa Allah. Brotherly yours Abul Lais |
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12-05-2011, 05:43 PM
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 ,I believe everyone is concern that brother afghnmuslim might have going at it at a speed faster than any of us would probably do for his own safety. However we can't judge that without hearing brother afghnmuslim first. Let him finish his 'investigation' first since he is reporting every observation he made. 
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12-05-2011, 06:28 PM
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As such there is enough material pointing to the fact that Shia ideology is faulty. This is a long over looked problem and the least we can do is to invite them to mend their ways. In deed it will be nice to have en masse dawah in which every Muslim is geared to invite them to conventional Islam. New investigations like brother afghan Muslim are not really needed. Shia ideology is an elite ideology and they are breaking away effective people from Ahl-e-Sunnah by inviting them to Iran Culture House. This is a silly trap in which people fall so easily. The slogan is to create an environment in which this ideology is accepted as legitimate in the name of social harmony. No one, at such times, asks questions about Safwid history or the treatment of Sunnis in Iran or disappearance of Sunni Islam from Tehran. To top it all the Muharram related activities of the innovators are not different from Shia activities in the least.
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12-05-2011, 06:58 PM
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As such there is enough material pointing to the fact that Shia ideology is faulty. This is a long over looked problem and the least we can do is to invite them to mend their ways. In deed it will be nice to have en masse dawah in which every Muslim is geared to invite them to conventional Islam. New investigations like brother afghan Muslim are not really needed. Shia ideology is an elite ideology and they are breaking away effective people from Ahl-e-Sunnah by inviting them to Iran Culture House. This is a silly trap in which people fall so easily. The slogan is to create an environment in which this ideology is accepted as legitimate in the name of social harmony. No one, at such times, asks questions about Safwid history or the treatment of Sunnis in Iran or disappearance of Sunni Islam from Tehran. To top it all the Muharram related activities of the innovators are not different from Shia activities in the least. I guess we have two different definitions of 'investigation' here. Definition 1 - to investigate the theology of shi'a. In this case, you're absolutely right, there's no need to do any investigations at all since there are enough materials pertaining what shi'a is should a Muslim want to know more about them. Definition 2 - to investigate a chance to do da'wa to them (names, contact numbers, circles of friends, etc). In this case, the 'investigation' surely is not a bad option is it? So I guess it's my bad for not making it clear which 'investigation' did I refer to. My apology for that.
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12-05-2011, 09:42 PM
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What is your real niyyah in going there and then posting here? And truth be told, with all due respect to brother Tripoly Sunni, whose work is monumental when it comes to silencing the extremist, arrogant Shias, not every thing I have read on some of our websites (regarding Shias) is true. |
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12-05-2011, 09:51 PM
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brother Abul Lais, On one of the nights, when I was not present there, another Sunni friend of mine, whose mother's side is Shia, or part Shia, was at the masjid. And some speaker was saying that when given an invitation, Jews and Christians come to the masjid whereas Sunnis do not, to show their love for Imam Hussain (ra) and Ahlul-Bait (ra). As such, according to this enlightened Shia brother, Jews and Christians, in this regard, are better than Sunnis. Without a word of dawah, just imagine how his credibility diminishes when other Shias see me there. Do you know Nakshawani? The guy who lied that Qari Abdul Basit's (rah) son became a Shia after having a dream? That video is on YouTube. If nothing else, even if I learn nothing and fail to achieve an ounce of anything, just the fact that they see us, while their "learned men" are mocking us for our so-called absence and lax, makes them doubt those who speak of knowledge to them. So is it any wonder that I see brothers on their cell phones there? And other brothers chit-chatting, while the women and children are loud to the point that it feels like there is a flea market on the other side of the barrier which divides brothers from sisters. |
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12-06-2011, 09:58 AM
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And truth be told, with all due respect to brother Tripoly Sunni, whose work is monumental when it comes to silencing the extremist, arrogant Shias, not every thing I have read on some of our websites (regarding Shias) is true. |
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12-06-2011, 10:32 AM
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Per chance they in the right and we in the wrong? Many things can be said "per chance," but while tonight there were things said, like Imam Hussain (ra) will have the authority to bring out his Companions from Hellfire, etc, their people are a little far from what their "scholars" preach. |
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12-06-2011, 10:55 AM
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Today, while I was there, after a series of short talks by different speakers, I stood up to pray. The brother sitting to my left, two feet ahead of me though, did not know what was happening. He looked and found no turbah, the clay they make sujjood on, ripped a piece of paper and laid it there. He thought I may be missing my turbah and wanted me to make sujjood on that piece of paper. I made sujjood and missed the paper because his placement was off (wouldn't have made sujjood on it anyways). So when I was done, obviously by then he noticed that I was not Shia, about 15 minutes later, he turned to me and apologized. To his credit, he said, "brother, I placed the paper because I thought that spot was wet; I did not want you to place your forehead on wet carpet." In reply, I said, "I was busy praying and although I noticed the paper, I did not understand its significance within the context of what I was doing. So I apologize if I came across as rude, but that was not my intention." He could not believe his ears and thanked me so much for understanding. He apologized again saying that he did not know that I was from a different school-of-thought. Indirectly, he referred to the difference in our prayers and said that he was so happy to have me there. And that I was welcome there anytime. Brother, That is a part of the 'fitra' of every people. Fitra, ie the natural disposition, of every human being is to be kind. Sometimes we experience acts of kindness even from Disbelievers. But that does not change the fact their fundamentals are WRONG. For a group of people who think Ali (ra) is infallible, or those who deny the companionship of Abu Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra) there is no other description other than Deviants. Some Ulema have even said those who deny the Companionship of Abu Bakr (ra) is denying the Quran, Since He is mentioned in the Quran as one of the two in the Cave. We haven't even considered the extreme acts of cursing, Mutta, etc etc yet. These deviations are not a small act. Don't you remember what happens to the Deviants in the Yawm Al Qiyyamah when they come near Hawl Al Kawthar. Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 174: Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd(ra): I heard the Prophet saying, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar), and whoever will come to it, will drink from it, and whoever will drink from it, will never become thirsty after that. There will come to me some people whom I know and they know me, and then a barrier will be set up between me and them." Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri added that the Prophet further said: "I will say those people are from me. It will be said, 'You do not know what changes and new things they did after you.' Then I will say, 'Far removed (from mercy), far removed (from mercy), those who changed (the religion) after me! " May Allah protect us from that group. Ameen. |
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12-06-2011, 02:15 PM
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Dear brother AfghanMuslim,
I do not deny the natural amicable behaviour of people. I have felt that throughout my life. This proves nothing about the actual reality of this sect. I teacher of mine (unfortunately excessively inclined towards these people but even then he) said that the reality of people are displayed in times of crunch. Wassalam |
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